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Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Too much talk going on without actually hearing the charges.

Despite claiming 24/7 it's a democratic country ruled by the rule of law, there's a lot ideological abuse of the laws used against ideological opponents going on in France. Somehow non-ideologically threatening criminals get a free pass to do whatever they want.

Source: I'm living in that lunatic asylum.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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There is a war going on in Europe right now. Real war with tanks, bombs and rockets, often hitting hospitals in Kyiv for some weird reason. This arrest put russians in a panic mode. Did you know russian army is actually using Telegram for coordinating strikes, and Discord for FPVs? https://youchu.be/watch?v=mwtbTuLZXWw You know something is up when russians, and Snowden (or his handler), are calling the arrest of Fre…

This is irrelevant. The Russians can just switch to Signal, or run their own instance of Telegram trivially.

An unrelated point on that note -

The Russian army is trying to restrict phones amongst their troops right now, from what I can tell. The soldiers who need telegram the most to handle their own logistics and strategy, because that is horrificly a thing, need telegram.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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The UK leads in Europe for start up founding… Almost nobody in the UK works for the same company for 50 years and this used to be a thing in the US too. Canada has similar laws/issues. Social mobility is also higher in the UK than the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index Now I don’t trust these indices tbh, but I trust them more than a nice sounding anecdote. There is a class divide in the U…

A company, not the same company. I don't think that social mobility can be measured statistically, because it depends on people actually trying. I actually think that the UK does have fairly high social mobility _but_ the vast majority of people get stuck in local maxima, and the laws are influenced by that (e.g. stuff like obsession with the mediocre outcome). Having said that, the index you've pasted is complete bo…

Interesting that you consider it socialist, because the World Economic Forum has often been considered as the embodiment of neoliberalism. Around 2000, when there were huge anti-globalization protests by left / green / anarchist activists around the world, WEF was one of the primary targets.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Can't the EU make their own messaging app?

IIRC France sponsored open source secure messaging platforms There are things like this: https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/

They do it for themselves though, not for everyone. It’s a system called Tchap and is used by cops IIRC (https://element.io/case-studies/tchap).

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK leads in Europe for start up founding… Almost nobody in the UK works for the same company for 50 years and this used to be a thing in the US too. Canada has similar laws/issues. Social mobility is also higher in the UK than the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index Now I don’t trust these indices tbh, but I trust them more than a nice sounding anecdote. There is a class divide in the U…

A company, not the same company. I don't think that social mobility can be measured statistically, because it depends on people actually trying. I actually think that the UK does have fairly high social mobility _but_ the vast majority of people get stuck in local maxima, and the laws are influenced by that (e.g. stuff like obsession with the mediocre outcome). Having said that, the index you've pasted is complete bo…

Self employment is 3 times higher in the UK than in the US actually: https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SL.EMP.SELF.ZS/r...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK leads in Europe for start up founding… Almost nobody in the UK works for the same company for 50 years and this used to be a thing in the US too. Canada has similar laws/issues. Social mobility is also higher in the UK than the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index Now I don’t trust these indices tbh, but I trust them more than a nice sounding anecdote. There is a class divide in the U…

That's why Canada also is one of the worst countries in G8 and maybe the most mediocre countries when it comes to actual startup investment and building something new for the world and growing the share of the pie. On top of that, they have a horrible system where nobody can get a doctor. Everybody has to pay double to get a block of butter and housing is so high that you get a whole neighborhood in the US for that p…

If you do a global comparison the US is incredibly richer rather than these countries being incredibly poor.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A company, not the same company. I don't think that social mobility can be measured statistically, because it depends on people actually trying. I actually think that the UK does have fairly high social mobility _but_ the vast majority of people get stuck in local maxima, and the laws are influenced by that (e.g. stuff like obsession with the mediocre outcome). Having said that, the index you've pasted is complete bo…

Self employment is 3 times higher in the UK than in the US actually: https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SL.EMP.SELF.ZS/r...

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Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A company, not the same company. I don't think that social mobility can be measured statistically, because it depends on people actually trying. I actually think that the UK does have fairly high social mobility _but_ the vast majority of people get stuck in local maxima, and the laws are influenced by that (e.g. stuff like obsession with the mediocre outcome). Having said that, the index you've pasted is complete bo…

Interesting that you consider it socialist, because the World Economic Forum has often been considered as the embodiment of neoliberalism. Around 2000, when there were huge anti-globalization protests by left / green / anarchist activists around the world, WEF was one of the primary targets.

My use of the term "socialist" was lazy.

I think that the main issue is that it tries to come up with a metric that works across every country which is basically pointless because a lot of them are failed states where income information isn't reliable or meaningful.

So they come up with stuff like "how high is teenage pregnancy" and "what is the male female work balance" which they define as being proxies for social mobility I assume because if you have five kids at age 20 and you're forced to stay at home then you have none.

The problem is that it just introduces a billion ways to influence the actual rankings, they are value judgements.

If you look at well functioning countries only, then you can pretty much look at how many people in the bottom decile of parental household income end up in the top decile of household income.

You still have the issue though that this only tells you how the distribution actually ends up, not how it _could_ look in a specific country if everyone actually tried their hardest to climb the social/financial ladder.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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innovation like selling drugs and ordering hitmen? Which US social media platforms can be used to quickly, effortlessly and openly sell drugs? I know of one that tried, owner is in US prison right now.

Probably Mastodon.

Nope, any US-based server would find itself either turned into a honeypot or taken down in a flash.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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"It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform." What an utter ridiculous and misleading statement from the company that LITERALLY REFUSES to take down drug and malware shops from its platform. There's tens of academic studies that have looked at this problem and many of them have Telegram as the worst offender. Here's just one of the studies: https://cyber.fsi.stanford…

What exactly is wrong with drug shops? Providing certain goods to consenting adults is not immoral. Let alone should not be a reason for them to be banned. In half of the U.S. states and European countries, cannabis is either legal or decriminalized in small amounts. In 2024, it's not a big deal, and without these means of communication, potential consumers would have to go back to the streets to purchase something, risking many dangerous situations.

I'm not a 'consumer,' but I consider it a huge advantage of such platforms in terms of increasing safety and clarity.

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