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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by mr_toad »

echelon wrote: post #63
p1esk wrote: post #60

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Wow, 5 years later and what have they actually accomplished? Look at the milestones section: https://gaia-x.eu/what-is-gaia-x/about-gaia-x/

This is too funny. What's to stop an American cloud hyperscaler from creating a "properly patriated" subsidiary that it simply licenses the tech to? Wouldn't that side step the "sovereign" protectionism? An American company would run circles around this mess.

They might if there was a market for it. But who wants to pay a premium to be free of US influence? America hasn’t gone full-on Gilead yet.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn »

arianvanp wrote: post #42
monospaced wrote: post #37

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You can sign up on their website: https://www.stackit.de/en/ While there are no free credits the services are priced pay per use to the minute with a much simpler pricing model than the large hyperscalers like AWS. See prices for EC2 here: https://www.stackit.de/en/pricing/cloud-services/iaas/stacki... You can find the docs here: https://docs.stackit.cloud/stackit/en/knowledge-base-8530170...

Note that you need to be Incorporated in Germany, Austria or Switzerland to use it. And they dont allow individuals to open accounts. Only companies. "The European cloud" that doesn't allow sign ups from Europe is extremely ironic. I don't know how they keep getting all this press without actually delivering anything

Lidl got SAP's award for best customer a few years before admitting they have wasted half a billion on SAP implementation.

It's the same thing again.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by tormeh »

snowpid wrote: post #85
formerly_proven wrote: post #73

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Highly skilled engineers leave to places where they get their money's worth (i.e. not germany/eu).

That shouldn't the USA as there are more people moving from there to Germany than vice versa.

Depends. If you want to live a good life you stay in the EU. If you have the will and ability to do great things professionally (not many do) then in most industries you need to move to the US to do it. There’s just not enough high-risk capital here for exciting projects to be done. I suspect comes from market size. Financiers won’t take high risk without high reward, and the reward is not here.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by kkfx »

mvanbaak wrote: post #140
WA wrote: post #99

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Speaking of: Is there an EU alternative to Netlify where I can basically upload/host a small static website for free, including custom domains and free SSL?

While 'for free' is something we all want (who wants to spend their money right) it is not a sustainable business case. And with prices of it/server/hosting in the EU being a lot higher then in other parts of the world, what you want is not going to be easy to find.

it's cloying how people (individuals and SMEs) forget that in the present time in vast part of the world we have FTTH with enough bandwidth and low enough ping that's MUCH better than a cheap VPS or someone else server. The only needed thing is a fixed IP, witch is pretty available anyway.

A homeserver is much cheaper, not less monitored, much powerful and much more flexible than living on someone else computer. Since IPv6 it's not an option but a need, it's about time to IMPOSE a public global per host to any ISP, without clauses to avoid legally hosting a server because hey, that's how internet work, it's not a damn mainframe.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by haukem »

mns wrote: post #186
haukem wrote: post #162

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Deutsche Telekom hosted Microsoft Office 365 for some years in Germany as a German cloud offering. I think this was the press release: https://www.telekom.com/de/medien/medieninformationen/detail... This was a Microsoft 365 cloud hosted and operated by Deutsche Telekom in Germany. It was more expensive than the global version and had less features. It often took some years till new features were introduced. They stop…

Open Telekom Cloud is a whitelabeled AWS, so they are still doing this, but with other technologies.

This press release from 2020 says Open Telekom Cloud is from Software and Hardware from Huawei.

https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/de/blog/vorteile/die-sich...

Do you have any source that they switched to AWS?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by macintux »

karaterobot wrote: post #146
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #69

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As I get older and a little lazier, sometimes I think I might want to find a way to get a completely pointless job that gives me a paycheck where all I have to do is write documents that nobody ever reads. Then I look at something like this Gaia-X "milestones" list and think "Meh, this is probably not the job for me..."

[raises hand] It's not so bad. Looooong lunches.

Any suggestions on how to land such a role? I've had the last 48 hours off work, which I think is the longest stretch in the last month, but I'll be working this evening, and tomorrow, and tomorrow evening, and Tuesday, and Tuesday evening, and...

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by p1esk »

macintux wrote: post #196
karaterobot wrote: post #146

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[raises hand] It's not so bad. Looooong lunches.

Any suggestions on how to land such a role? I've had the last 48 hours off work, which I think is the longest stretch in the last month, but I'll be working this evening, and tomorrow, and tomorrow evening, and Tuesday, and Tuesday evening, and...

Work for government.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by sva_ »

isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote: post #192
arianvanp wrote: post #42

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Note that you need to be Incorporated in Germany, Austria or Switzerland to use it. And they dont allow individuals to open accounts. Only companies. "The European cloud" that doesn't allow sign ups from Europe is extremely ironic. I don't know how they keep getting all this press without actually delivering anything

Lidl got SAP's award for best customer a few years before admitting they have wasted half a billion on SAP implementation. It's the same thing again.

> award for best customer

I've never heard of this. Does it mean best cash cow?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

stavros wrote: post #105
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #47

I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

I use Hetzner cloud not because it's European, but because it's great.

Missing object storage kinda makes it a joke. Hetzner cloud is certainly useful for some things, but object storage is something I just assume any cloud would have in 2024.

AWS launched it before EC2 even it's that valuable.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by singhrac »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #199
stavros wrote: post #105

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I use Hetzner cloud not because it's European, but because it's great.

Missing object storage kinda makes it a joke. Hetzner cloud is certainly useful for some things, but object storage is something I just assume any cloud would have in 2024. AWS launched it before EC2 even it's that valuable.

Out of curiosity are you operating at a scale where "MinIO on a Hetzner node" isn't a viable replacement? I totally believe that's possible, just curious about the use case.
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