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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by lovethevoid »

outside415 wrote: post #322
mazambazz wrote: post #29

This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

Watch his interview with Tucker Carlson and you’ll see. He doesn’t acquiesce to government requests for moderation control, censorship, and sharing private user data so they target him. He refuses to implement backdoors as well. In stark contrast to western social media companies.

Telegram still collects and stores private user data, and as per their own privacy policy. This isn't in stark contrast to western companies at all.

Additionally, they fulfilled requests made in Brazil, India, and Germany to name some I remember. Again, using the private user data they collect.

So what you fell for was just basic marketing (a CEO going on a TV program, as Tucker Carlson isn't even news) to market his app.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by Timber-6539 »

foresto wrote: post #525
Timber-6539 wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Running open source software != "Open source server"

If you bothered to look, you would find that both of the examples given are open-source servers. You might then deduce that you misunderstood the comment to which you replied.

You cannot audit the system/service logs for those servers, neither can you audit the hardware running those servers, nor the internet providers who can snoop on the traffic et al... That's the argument behind "Open source server" in case it wasn't clear.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by blumomo »

Telegram is being partially punished for allowing non main stream media flourish: German #RKIfiles today proof that vaccination pressure and lock downs where politically motivated, but criticized by RKI’s scientific personal. I learned this already 4 years ago, from Telegram channels where scientists and journalists where not censored! Now Durov has to pay that bill. But maybe Durov should have also cooperated with crime investigations! But we all know that this power to read chats would have been abused by governments! What’s poor Durov going to do???

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by vik0 »

whimsicalism wrote: post #250
vik0 wrote: post #241

By all accounts, this looks to me like it's nothing else but a politically motivated decision - and it gives ever more credence to my take that there is no freedom of speech in Europe As a side note, this is somewhat reminiscent of how the Catholic Church operated at the height of its power - do what we say or burn at the stake. We should then not be surprised that no longer does technological innovation happen in Eu…

> this is somewhat reminiscent of how the Catholic Church operated at the height of its power I think the most surprising thing I've realized as I've gotten older is the way in which these cultural and legalistic norms, even 100 years+ bygone, still have considerable influence on modern cultures. Europe, and particularly France, is very Catholic, ex-Holy Roman brained. US is very protestant brained. China cribs tons…

>I think the most surprising thing I've realized as I've gotten older is the way in which these cultural and legalistic norms, even 100 years+ bygone, still have considerable influence on modern cultures.

Oh yeah, definitely. I've noticed similar patterns

Anyway, and I know this is completely random, but I think you'd enjoy reading Dominion: The Making of the Western Mind by Tom Holland. It gives a nice overview of the influence of Christianity on modern Western civilization; though, after reading Bertrand Russell's A History of Western Philosophy (which does, of course, have flaws of its own), I do think Hollnad places a bit too much importance on the influence of Christianity, as it is not the only thing that has influenced modern Western civilization, nor did Christianity develop in a vacuum - completely uninfluenced by the societal pressures of the time it found itself existing in - which I think Holland forgets to mention as you continue reading the book deeper and deeper. Nonetheless, both are great books and I recommend them

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by oytis »

dawnerd wrote: post #580
akira2501 wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you deposit more than 10k the IRS simply gets automatically notified. No one calls you to ask where you got the money. The IRS actually expects you to report income earned from illegal activities, they _explicitly_ state this in Publication 17.

And even then you don’t have to tell them it’s illegal. Just what you earned. Frankly they don’t care where it came from as long as you report and pay.

TIL. How do they check that the sum you specified is correct though?

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by holoduke »

alex00 wrote: post #615
mazambazz wrote: post #29

This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

Kim Dotcom is still harassed because he is very vocal against the US and what is happening in Ukraine. https://x.com/KimDotcom The US narrative on Ukraine and Israel is getting weaker. Thorns like Kim Dotcom that has a big following, Telegram that is the only social platform to access the Russian side of the events, can break the US narrative. It is ironic that the US screams Russia did a war crime in Bucha but Israe…

True. Best source to get info from the war are on Telegram. Both Ukrainian and Russian ones. Some channels have millions of users and provide daily map updates, information about enemy positions and even information about locations where equipement is stored in EU countries.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by holoduke »

dns_snek wrote: post #107
itohihiyt wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is telegram wasn't cooperating with authorities in the jurisdictions in which it was operating; be that moderation, interception, etc.

It's incorrect to say that they weren't cooperating with authorities at all. In the EU, Telegram blocked access to certain channels that the EU deemed to be Russian disinformation, for example.

The real deal channels are still accessible. I follow them every day. Its the only way of getting a clear picture of the situation in Ukraine. Both sides are heavily using it. Also during combat operations.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by threeseed »

walterbell wrote: post #581
medion wrote: post #565

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal built by the US government? Is there any more actual information on this claim?

Signal's early funding source is public record, https://www.opentech.fund/projects-we-support/supported-proj... Double Ratchet [1] is also used by WhatsApp (2B+ users) and IETF MLS [2] standard for E2EE group messaging. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Ratchet_Algorithm [2] https://www.ietf.org/blog/mls-secure-and-usable-end-to-end-e...

I don't understand.

Nothing in this comment is about the US government funding Signal's encryption.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by golergka »

outside415 wrote: post #322
mazambazz wrote: post #29

This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

Watch his interview with Tucker Carlson and you’ll see. He doesn’t acquiesce to government requests for moderation control, censorship, and sharing private user data so they target him. He refuses to implement backdoors as well. In stark contrast to western social media companies.

Which government? There has been a lot of mysterious deanons of protesters in Belarus in 2020. You know, the kind of deanon where armed people break down you door and you're going to be beaten and tortured for several days in the very least.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by threeseed »

celdon25 wrote: post #595
archerx wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is on it’s way to becoming a dystopia so not the best argument…

It has already been a form of one for at least 10 years, just happening too gradually for the average person to realize it.

That's the beauty of comments like yours.

Because in your eyes it is so gradual the difference between it's happening slowly and not happening at all is imperceptible and impossible to prove.

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