By this logic the hardware manufacturers or even almighty God can be found responsible. God should have stopped them.
Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
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Is it illegal to offer legal services to undesirables and/or criminals?
If you know your services are going to be used to commit a crime, then yes, that makes you an accessory and basically all jurisdictions (I know basically nothing about French criminal law) can prosecute you for that. Crime is, y'know, illegal.
Apple knows iPhone users commit crimes.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
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"The chats instantly appear after login. " I agree, that is very convenient. Also for the secret police officer.. I use telegram as social media, but I really would not use it to organize protest somewhere. Then the whole safety depends on whether Durov made a deal with the secret police, or them infiltrating the servers to know everything about anyone involved. What they liked at what time, what pictures they shared…
> them infiltrating the servers to know everything about anyone involved That's not a possibility. Split-key encryption doesn't allow such a thing to happen.
Can you be more specific how the split-key encryption would prevent the Telegram CEO from reading all chats and users' info?
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Try to deposit 10k to your bank account and then, when they call you and ask the obvious question, answer that you sold some meth or robbed someone. They will totally be fine with this answer, as they are just a platform for providing money services and well, you can always just pay for everything in cash.
If you deposit more than 10k the IRS simply gets automatically notified. No one calls you to ask where you got the money. The IRS actually expects you to report income earned from illegal activities, they _explicitly_ state this in Publication 17.
A SAR or CTR gets filed with FinCEN
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That only applies if you're the defendant. If you're the witness to a murder and you're subpoena'd to court and refuse to testify then you are committing contempt of court. There was a guy in Illinois who got 20 years (reduced to 6 on appeal) for refusing to testify in a murder. https://illinoiscaselaw.com/clecourses/contempt-of-court-max... Contempt of court usually has no boundaries on the punishment, nor any jury…
i think in actual practice you will rarely get contempt for refusing to testify or taking the fifth for questions that could only tenuously implicate yourself in practice.
Usually if you let the prosecutor know up-front that you're not willing to cooperate they will tend to save themselves the hassle of trying. It can go wrong if they subpoena a belligerent witness, then they don't turn up on the day they're supposed to testify, and now the jury is empaneled and they start doing a dance where they demand the sheriff finds the witness, but then the clock runs out on holding the jury and it's a mistrial all round.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
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That's how most law works. I have to give up my right to murder someone in order to enjoy a society where it's illegal for everyone. If you believe privacy not inspectable by law enforcement is wrong the prerequisite is saying that you're willing to have the the law apply to you as well.
I believe that privacy not inspectable by law enforcement is a fundamental right. I'm willing to accept that aids some crimes but also willing to change my mind if the latter becomes too much of a problem. It doesn't seem to be the case at all ATM.
I'm with you, wish the supreme court agreed.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
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That’s disgusting but certainly effective to take down something very quickly. I was very disappointed to hear that UFO related subreddits take down and block UFO sightings. What’s the whole point of the sub if they censor the relevant content.
This is unrelated to main thread but since you brought up UFOs and censorship. Isn't it a disgrace what Wikipedia has done to the trove of "list of UFO sightings"? Those listings were great and well documented up until about 2019 or so. They've been scrubbed heavily.
Yes it is. I don’t recall when and if I check out the list of UFO sightings on Wikipedia but I’m very aware of the problem.
In the English wiki it’s a group “Guerilla Skepticism” which dominates the field on esoteric content and much more.
In Germany we have the same situation and very likely every language has the same issue.
The bigger pictures is that the whole content from Wikipedia gets fed into the AIs and then it answers you practically the strongly moderates censored misleading content from Wikipedia.
The very disappointing thing is that nobody can’t to anything about the mods in Wikipedia, they dominate the place.
Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
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I'm more disturbed by the fact that on HN we have 0 devs confirming or denying this thing about FBs internals wrt encryption. We know there are many devs that work there that are also HN users. But I've yet to see one of them chime in on this discussion. That should scare a lot of us.
I find it pretty ridiculous to assume that any dev would comment on the inner workings of their employers software in any way beyond what is publicly available anyway. I certainly wouldn't.
Why not? If I think my employer is doing something unethical, I certainly would. That would be the moral thing to do.
This tells me most of the people implementing this are either too-scared of the consequences, or they think what they're implementing is ethical and/or the right thing to do. Again, both are scary thoughts we should be highly concerned about in a healthy society that talks about these things.
One other potential explanation: FB and these large behemoths have compartmentalized the implementations of these features so much that no one can speak authoritatively about it's encryption.
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> Yeah, I don't doubt that it can be improved. There was no discussion of whether it can be improved. I was just telling you that it meets the established understanding of the term "effectively plaintext," which you were seeming to disagree with. Have a good rest of your day.
> which you were seeming to disagree with. Yeah, I would still disagree because everything is effectively plaintext in the end. The only difference is how you derive the key. There are levels of encryption, that is true but I think calling an actual encryption as 'effectively plaintext' is wrong. > Have a good rest of your day. Thank you! You too :D
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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
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I'm more disturbed by the fact that on HN we have 0 devs confirming or denying this thing about FBs internals wrt encryption. We know there are many devs that work there that are also HN users. But I've yet to see one of them chime in on this discussion. That should scare a lot of us.
There's not really much point in trying to convince flat earthers of the truth.
I'm not sure I understand the analogy. In your analogy, who are the flat-earthers?