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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by dtquad »

lxgr wrote: post #246

I can only once again quote this section of Telegram's privacy policy verbatim: > 8.3. Law Enforcement Authorities > If Telegram receives a court order that confirms you're a terror suspect, we may disclose your IP address and phone number to the relevant authorities. So far, this has never happened. When it does, we will include it in a semiannual transparency report published at: https://t.me/transparency . (from h…

Telegram also doesn't consider Sweden and Germany to be democracies for some reason and refuse to collaborate with either.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by lxgr »

dns_snek wrote: post #107
itohihiyt wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is telegram wasn't cooperating with authorities in the jurisdictions in which it was operating; be that moderation, interception, etc.

It's incorrect to say that they weren't cooperating with authorities at all. In the EU, Telegram blocked access to certain channels that the EU deemed to be Russian disinformation, for example.

As far as I've heard, they did that only under threat of getting kicked out of the Apple and Google app stores. Supposedly, the non-app-store versions don't have these blocks.

In other words, Apple and Google are the only authorities they recognize (see also [1]). I'm not surprised this doesn't sit well with many governments.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41348666

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by Spivak »

331c8c71 wrote: post #200
1oooqooq wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you comment strikes me as naive in the same lines as "i have nothing to hide"

It's worse than this. The author argues that backdoors are necessary rather than simply being willing to share his/her data for inspection.

That's how most law works. I have to give up my right to murder someone in order to enjoy a society where it's illegal for everyone.

If you believe privacy not inspectable by law enforcement is wrong the prerequisite is saying that you're willing to have the the law apply to you as well.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by d0mine »

pshirshov wrote: post #245

My opinion would be extremely unpopular, but: 1) The guy was marketing an open-text messenger as an e2ee messenger 2) Because of (1) he was able to moderate it and help law enforcement with locating criminals but he was not cooperating 3) He was extremely cooperative with Russian "law enforcement", as multiple deanonymised activists with leaked chats, contact lists and location history found out So, a hypocrite got w…

"unpopular"

If we feed all the comments say to chatgpt and ask it (or just count by hand pro/against tg posts) what result do you expect?

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by whimsicalism »

carbotaniuman wrote: post #269
whimsicalism wrote: post #240

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i should be allowed to watch whatever state propaganda i want, i'm a big boy 15 years ago in the US this would have been uncontroversial

I'm sure the US government would have been real keen on you reading Kremlin news source 40 year ago...

there were multiple Kremlin propaganda outlets you could read in the US 40 years ago, although it is true that (IIRC) there were restrictions on broadcast television

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by pohl »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #162
unsupp0rted wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit moderates itself so well that even half the legitimate posts get immediately removed by mods or downvoted by users to oblivion

I've actually given up trying to post on Reddit for this reason. Whenever I've tried to join in on a discussion in some subreddit that's relevant(eg r/chess) my post has been autoremoved by a bot because my karma is too low or my account is "too new". Well how can I get any karma if all my posts are deleted?

Even those who farm accounts know the simple answer to your question. You have to spend a little time being civil in other subreddits before you reveal the real you. Just takes a few weeks.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

Avamander wrote: post #256
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've actually given up trying to post on Reddit for this reason. Whenever I've tried to join in on a discussion in some subreddit that's relevant(eg r/chess) my post has been autoremoved by a bot because my karma is too low or my account is "too new". Well how can I get any karma if all my posts are deleted?

You ask for the post to get approved. You probably can't imagine the amount of spam subreddits suffer under.

In the cases I remember there was no such recourse. It was just autodeleted by a bot.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by marcinzm »

whimsicalism wrote: post #277
marcinzm wrote: post #271

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Telegram is not E2E encrypted.

so i should be liable if it is a plain text messaging github side project?

You mean if you’re also running servers for it that store all the data in a format you can read and refuse law enforcement requests in your jurisdiction.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Post by whimsicalism »

archerx wrote: post #272
whimsicalism wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

really? we seal warrants in the US all the time - we don't want people who we are trying to apprehend to always know ahead of time we are trying to apprehend them

The US is on it’s way to becoming a dystopia so not the best argument…

maybe, but i don't think sealed warrants are the reason
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