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Re: Man Arrested for Creating Child Porn Using AI

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Post by wesselbindt »

00_hum wrote: post #39
throwaway413486 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it really child abuse if no children were involved? I think there is an empirical question one step beyond this. Does a pedophile who sees AI child porn get inured to it and then go on to try to act out fantasies with real victims? Or does this give pedophiles a way to satiate their desires indefinitely with only AI-based content, and lead to a lower portion abusing actual kids? A second order issue is that dist…

this is a false question because neither option is valid. pedos are born pedos and they see and feel attraction to kids every single day. they are just as likely to act on these desires with or without cp

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Re: Man Arrested for Creating Child Porn Using AI

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Post by blueflow »

tptacek wrote: post #29
tmtvl wrote: post #3

Obvious disclaimer first: I do not condone imagery of child abuse, I believe this guy has some kind of psychological problem and needs professional help, AI-generated deepfakes can actually cause real harm and proper regulation is needed. With that out of the way: > the generative AI wrinkle in this particular arrest shows how technology is generating new avenues for crime and child abuse. Is it really child abuse if…

Distribution of fictitious CSAM does create harm, despite not directly involving real children.

How?

Re: Man Arrested for Creating Child Porn Using AI

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Post by 00_hum »

wesselbindt wrote: post #41
00_hum wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is a false question because neither option is valid. pedos are born pedos and they see and feel attraction to kids every single day. they are just as likely to act on these desires with or without cp

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

yeah, thats what i just did

Re: Man Arrested for Creating Child Porn Using AI

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Post by rendall »

The original rationale for criminalizing the possession of child porn was that a crime was inherently committed in its creation, and possession is participation in that crime. I think this is a correct conclusion.

I can't see this rationale extending to generated imagery (deepfakes aside). No victim exists.

Vaguely gesturing at social harm is not principled enough, in my opinion. One can point to actual crime and actual harm for filmed and photographed child pornography. For generated imagery, one can only point to one's own personal revulsion as "harm".

Re: Man Arrested for Creating Child Porn Using AI

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Post by pitaj »

throwaway413486 wrote: post #15
tmtvl wrote: post #3

Obvious disclaimer first: I do not condone imagery of child abuse, I believe this guy has some kind of psychological problem and needs professional help, AI-generated deepfakes can actually cause real harm and proper regulation is needed. With that out of the way: > the generative AI wrinkle in this particular arrest shows how technology is generating new avenues for crime and child abuse. Is it really child abuse if…

> Is it really child abuse if no children were involved? I think there is an empirical question one step beyond this. Does a pedophile who sees AI child porn get inured to it and then go on to try to act out fantasies with real victims? Or does this give pedophiles a way to satiate their desires indefinitely with only AI-based content, and lead to a lower portion abusing actual kids? A second order issue is that dist…

Pedophilia seems, to a large degree, to be under-researched. Mostly because of the taboo, but even questions like "what portion of the general population are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children" do not have good data.

Re: Man Arrested for Creating Child Porn Using AI

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Post by simcup »

evanjrowley wrote: post #12

On the opposite end of this spectrum, there is interest among digital forensics examiners in some kind of automated capability for detecting child porn. Such a capability would speed up the process and reduce the mental/emotional load on examiners having to deal with this sensitive type of content. Automated processing could also reduce the risks of this material being mishandled as evidence. In a report presented at…

leaves the question: how much authority do these models posess, see also: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveil...

Re: Man Arrested for Creating Child Porn Using AI

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Post by stackghost »

throwaway413486 wrote: post #15
tmtvl wrote: post #3

Obvious disclaimer first: I do not condone imagery of child abuse, I believe this guy has some kind of psychological problem and needs professional help, AI-generated deepfakes can actually cause real harm and proper regulation is needed. With that out of the way: > the generative AI wrinkle in this particular arrest shows how technology is generating new avenues for crime and child abuse. Is it really child abuse if…

> Is it really child abuse if no children were involved? I think there is an empirical question one step beyond this. Does a pedophile who sees AI child porn get inured to it and then go on to try to act out fantasies with real victims? Or does this give pedophiles a way to satiate their desires indefinitely with only AI-based content, and lead to a lower portion abusing actual kids? A second order issue is that dist…

>Or does this give pedophiles a way to satiate their desires indefinitely with only AI-based content, and lead to a lower portion abusing actual kids?

By that logic, if I see regular porn I would not be interested in having sex.

I assure you this is not the case, and your premise is flawed.

Re: Man Arrested for Creating Child Porn Using AI

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Post by sandworm101 »

People are not talking about how revolutionary this is. This isn't AI generating content to compete with artists. This is software running on standard hardware that turns electricity into material more illegal than cocaine. Just think of how that would impact the market for cocaine if suddenly everyone could make easily it at home from common ingredients.

We are spiraling very quickly towards a "media creation box", standalone software that will generate whatever content a person might want without any external connections. There will be huge societal ramifications. We think media bubbles are bad now, but just wait until everyone can live inside their own bubble filled with locally-generated content to match their increasingly warped world views.

Re: Man Arrested for Creating Child Porn Using AI

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Post by dgoldstein0 »

imoverclocked wrote: post #13
tmtvl wrote: post #3

Obvious disclaimer first: I do not condone imagery of child abuse, I believe this guy has some kind of psychological problem and needs professional help, AI-generated deepfakes can actually cause real harm and proper regulation is needed. With that out of the way: > the generative AI wrinkle in this particular arrest shows how technology is generating new avenues for crime and child abuse. Is it really child abuse if…

> Is it really child abuse if no children were involved? Does that mean that AI-generated imagery of some protected group being harmed causes actual harm to that protected group? Not saying it doesn't, but it may be worth thinking about. Deepfakes of real children is real children being involved. Outside of that, my response is, “how would you create a compelling CSAM image with nothing resembling the target in the t…

Deepfake porn of real people is already starting to be criminalized, children or not: https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/is-deepfake-...

I think that's a good thing, though the law obviously needs more time to catch up.

Re: Man Arrested for Creating Child Porn Using AI

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Post by rich_sasha »

tmtvl wrote: post #3

Obvious disclaimer first: I do not condone imagery of child abuse, I believe this guy has some kind of psychological problem and needs professional help, AI-generated deepfakes can actually cause real harm and proper regulation is needed. With that out of the way: > the generative AI wrinkle in this particular arrest shows how technology is generating new avenues for crime and child abuse. Is it really child abuse if…

I guess renders or cartoons of child pornography is equally banned, so I guess that's not a defence here, as the law stands.
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