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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by qwertox »

peterpost2 wrote: post #40
mathverse wrote: post #21

Yea this is so gonna work with them paying 50-60k/pa for engineers. Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe

What is Dach mentality? I've googled the definition but can't seem anything that fits in this context.

DACH means Germany (D), Austria (A) and Switzerland (CH). Data is not the new oil, and this gets reflected in how much engineers earn.

Though companies like the Schwarz Gruppe or OEDIV tend to understand their value so I don't think parent's comment is valid.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by mimischi »

Ekaros wrote: post #65
christkv wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kitchen and Garden stuff over here.

Someday it might be interesting to see article or video on just how Lidl's logistics and supply chain works on these special products. There is the staples, but how these shorter run campaigns are rotated around.

Would be curious to know if there’s an overlap with other retailers. Many “discount” supermarkets in Germany (Aldi, Penny, Lidl, Netto) have such aisles. As far as I can see in the UK, both Aldi and Lidl have similar things here, but not that vast of a variety?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by bengale »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #47

I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

What are the other 20% with you for?

What is the benefit that your customers see in using an European cloud?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B »

liotier wrote: post #28
AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #12

Being a European, I’d love to try this. Many businesses operate completely local. I think there is a market for a Europe-only cloud provider. How do I try this? Do they have a free tier?

Hetzner and OVH are top of mind, Gandi is nice too. Not Amazon-scale, by far, but European companies hosting in Europe with decent service.

OVH is a joke (their data center burned because they had wooden roofs), Gandi is no more, and Scaleway gave up. There is no French host anymore. Only Hetzner is left in this business.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by alexey-salmin »

mardifoufs wrote: post #48

I don't get what's new about this apart from the typical EU related buzzwords. France alone already has OVH and Scaleway, which are actual cloud providers in the "AWS" sense, not just hosting providers. Like I get that this is part of the platform's marketing but I don't see the sovereignty (which is a rather cringy term imo, as it implies that something as big as the EU isn't sovereign) angles to this.

> (which is a rather cringy term imo, as it implies that something as big as the EU isn't sovereign) angles to this.

How will the sovereign EU stop the US from exercising the CLOUD act over the data stored in AWS in Europe?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by elric »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #69
p1esk wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, 5 years later and what have they actually accomplished? Look at the milestones section: https://gaia-x.eu/what-is-gaia-x/about-gaia-x/

As I get older and a little lazier, sometimes I think I might want to find a way to get a completely pointless job that gives me a paycheck where all I have to do is write documents that nobody ever reads. Then I look at something like this Gaia-X "milestones" list and think "Meh, this is probably not the job for me..."

I was involved in an EU funded software research project related to air quality [1] around ~2008. The bureaucracy was very real, we had to produce a boatload of paperwork (including a literal, on paper, printout of the source code, for some reason?). But aside from the weird paperwork overhead, we were fairly free in how we approached the project, and we got a lot of shit done. This was software R&D in the true sense. I don't know what happened to the project after I left, but I suspect the universities involved benefited from the research and some of it was probably spun off.

That is to say: it's not all just paperwork and paychecks, it can be greatly rewarding work.

[1] Strangely enough I was just talking about another aspect of air quality in another HN thread. Never noticed this was a theme in my life before.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by throwaway215234 »

mathverse wrote: post #21

Yea this is so gonna work with them paying 50-60k/pa for engineers. Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe

> Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe

German corporations (and politics) are full of bean counters, bureaucrats and underachievers. It's filled with people who love to talk, excessively plan, draw flowcharts and build frameworks - essentially everything except getting shit done.

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