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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by amadeuspagel »

p1esk wrote: post #60
arianvanp wrote: post #22

Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…

Wow, 5 years later and what have they actually accomplished? Look at the milestones section: https://gaia-x.eu/what-is-gaia-x/about-gaia-x/

"Right now it's only a goal, but I think I can get the money to make it into an intention, and later turn it into an outcome." -- European Woody Allen

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by bjornsing »

foota wrote: post #78
bjornsing wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What difference does that make, if the parent company is in the US and its executives can be physically compelled to send orders to the local operator?

The operator isn't under the other company, so if they say "we need this data" they can just say no. Now potentially they could try to trick the operator, but I'm not sure a company could be compelled to do so under US law. While there doesn't appear to be any relevant cases, this would fall under compelled speech ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compelled_speech ) and it seems like it would fall on the impermissibl…

But somehow the money still flows to Amazon Inc in the US? I don’t get it…

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by arianvanp »

p1esk wrote: post #60
arianvanp wrote: post #22

Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…

Wow, 5 years later and what have they actually accomplished? Look at the milestones section: https://gaia-x.eu/what-is-gaia-x/about-gaia-x/

They produced a few fluffy documents in 2022 and then nothing happened.

They repurposed the word milestone to mean agenda. It's just a list of events they're organizing. Because they have no actual milestones or goals.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by namaria »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #49
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #47

I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

The European market has always seemed like a tertiary market compared to the US and Asia. I think that's because, despite having some raw number of euros to spend on a product, the European economy has struggled since 2008 compared to the US and Asia, and huge corps which are obsessed with growth don't see an accelerating future for Europe as a customer base.

Which creates some juicy margin niches for smart developers to make a killing as independent contractors.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by snowpid »

formerly_proven wrote: post #73
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low salaries to me indicates they believe it is a Germanic ideal to pay subpar wages for highly skilled engineers? I don't think it's a mentality thing, personally, I think it just speaks to the weakness of the European economy for the last 20ish years

Highly skilled engineers leave to places where they get their money's worth (i.e. not germany/eu).

That shouldn't the USA as there are more people moving from there to Germany than vice versa.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by ncruces »

AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #12

Being a European, I’d love to try this. Many businesses operate completely local. I think there is a market for a Europe-only cloud provider. How do I try this? Do they have a free tier?

See also: https://www.scaleway.com/

They have three zones, Paris, Amsterdam and Warsaw.

Not sure if they have a free tier, but I still pay about 1€/month for two (really) small instances that I used for testing their service (and kept around for personal stuff).

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by n_ary »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #79
n_ary wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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N'uh-uh, we have Spotify, SAP and ASML. In your face US big-tech! /s

Spotify, ASML, Hubspot, Dashlane, Ericsson, Siemens, Airbus etc. I can get behind with pride.

But SAP is a plague upon Earth and I often pretend that it is imaginary myth.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by mathverse »

nairboon wrote: post #66
peterpost2 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is Dach mentality? I've googled the definition but can't seem anything that fits in this context.

Probably the old-school mentality of pay hierarchies: Managers must earn more than subordinates. Thus if the salary expectation of a high skilled engineer is higher than some of the management class, it's often viewed as obscene. Usually as an engineer you achieve certain salary levels only with additional management duties.

Not only that but them being stubborn and with a superiority complex. DACH companies rule EE with their capital and often manage to prototype and execute very much innovative features focused on convenience in the EE region (with local engineers etc). But this will never transform into something bigger because management wont allow non DACH people to assume executive roles + conservative market in their countries.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by RainaRelanah »

lossolo wrote: post #62
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #47

I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

Do you compete in some kind of a niche? There is OVH in EU.

And Scaleway (Online.net/Iliad). And Hetzner.
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