Yea this is so gonna work with them paying 50-60k/pa for engineers. Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe
Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#22Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful.
In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like.
It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might one day lead to talk about implementations.
It represents to me everything that is wrong with the EU today. A bureaucratic monster that can't decide how to talk about things or come to any form of alignment.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#23This is not about privacy or sovereign clouds because at least AWS and Azure have those already in Europe. It’s about protectionism and tweaking the law to favor local companies.
Not with direct control from the US - with AWS there is no privacy or sovereignity difference between EU-CENTRAL-1 or US-EAST-1 - you might tick a compliancy checkbox though. But sooner or later there will be more pressure and AWS and Azure will create legally independent companies in the EU to manage clouds in the EU.
Sadly iirc the US laws that makes GDPR compliance problematic cover subsidiaries so making them independant enough is probably more or less impossible in practice.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#24Iirc a while ago i saw an article about lidl offering it services (mainly server collocation) and the price was indeed interesting.
Also, if lidl plays this right, there are a bunch of engineers in Europe, currently working for faangs in places like Dublin and London, highly skilled and and quite desperate to go and live somewhere with a lower cost of living.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#25Yea this is so gonna work with them paying 50-60k/pa for engineers. Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe
> Schwarz Digits generated €1.9 billion in sales last year
It's already working.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#26This is not about privacy or sovereign clouds because at least AWS and Azure have those already in Europe. It’s about protectionism and tweaking the law to favor local companies.
Yes. And it works when implemented correctly. See China.
I'm going to apologize for my ignorance upfront here, but I was under the impression that China isn't protecting local companies. It is making the companies it can directly control the only available option. Perhaps you're referring to something other than just controlling technology and information. I'd be interested in knowing more if there's something specific you had in mind
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#27Yea this is so gonna work with them paying 50-60k/pa for engineers. Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe
I too have noticed this difference in mentality but I'd be curious to hear what do you think are the most salient differences.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#28Being a European, I’d love to try this. Many businesses operate completely local. I think there is a market for a Europe-only cloud provider. How do I try this? Do they have a free tier?
Hetzner and OVH are top of mind, Gandi is nice too. Not Amazon-scale, by far, but European companies hosting in Europe with decent service.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#29This is not about privacy or sovereign clouds because at least AWS and Azure have those already in Europe. It’s about protectionism and tweaking the law to favor local companies.
If AWS gets a letter from an American 3-letter agency to plz turn over this and that data and don't tell anyone, they're going to comply, no matter what kind of paper "privacy shield" agreement the politicians negotiated this time around.
You can name the NSA, it’s not illegal to do it (not in Europe at least —- pun intended)
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
How so - Lidl created something for their own demand, and started selling it to externals and found demand. Nothing protectionist in that
There are some protectionist-like tendencies in europe and that’s fine. Both laws trying to push for as much local parts as possible and buying agencies preference for local providers by tweaking purchasing terms here and there.
They’re not protectionist, they’re about self-sufficiency and about lowering dependency on third parties, and it’s a good thing in my opinion.