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Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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He very likely refused to play ball with NATO, and the software is working as intended, meaning no backdoors. I think we should have and open and decentralized version of this kind of "criminal" communication system. We should show them what Streisand effect really means.

We do have Signal. People prefer not encrypted Telegram to it.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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One of those was @rtnews which is definitely state-sponsored propaganda and remains inaccessible to this day. They cooperated to some degree, but I'll go out on a limb to say that the authorities wanted Telegram to be fully subservient to western government interests.

i should be allowed to watch whatever state propaganda i want, i'm a big boy 15 years ago in the US this would have been uncontroversial

It's still uncontroversial in the US, where RT remains widely available, although their local TV operations folded after a boycott by cable providers.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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post #251

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Comment in subreddits without those restrictions for a bit. E.g. this list: https://www.reddit.com/r/NewToReddit/wiki/index/newusersubs/ I can see how it's frustrating, but the communities you're trying to post in are essentially offloading their moderation burden onto the big popular subreddits with low requirements -- if you can prove you're capable of posting there without getting downvoted into oblivion, you're p…

That's silly. I gotta go shitpost in subreddits I have no interest in as some sort of bizarre rite of passage? I'd rather just not use the site at that point.

Yet here you are posting on HN which does the exact same thing.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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This is effectively plaintext, in that one entity has all of those secrets for everyone. That's one entity to subpoena. If that entity doesn't comply, governments will get upset and charge your executives with crimes if they get the chance. Different jurisdictions makes it harder to kick down the doors and get the keys, but it doesn't change the fundamental problem. "Nuh-uh, I put all those records in a box in Switze…

> This is effectively plaintext Everything's effectively plaintext then. Plaintext: refers to data that is transmitted or stored unencrypted. None of which Telegram does.

No, end-to-end encrypted systems are not effectively plaintext. That's a distinction anyone familiar with cryptography is well aware of, but Telegram has been gaslighting their user/fanbase and many journalists about it for years.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

> Specifically, these service providers I’m not a fan of this arrest and I don’t believe service providers have a duty to contravene their security promises so as to monitor their users. But it seems pretty obvious that governments find the monitoring that Google / Reddit / etc do acceptable, and do not find operation of unmonitorable services acceptable.

All right, what about logless VPN providers like Mullvad?

> do not find operation of unmonitorable services acceptable.

Sounds like something straight out of a dystopian surveillance state novel, very bad outlook if true.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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I really hope this doesn't become an "encryption bad" cudgel. > The main accusation by EU authorities concerns Telegram’s encrypted messaging services, which were allegedly used to facilitate organised crime. One investigator stated that ‘Telegram has become the number one platform for organised crime over the years’, underlining the perceived link between the platform’s privacy features and criminal activities. It's…

For centuries snail mail was used to facilitate organized crime, yet nobody prosecutes post offices.

because they were state run and had well practised interception systems.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

#337

This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

Watch his interview with Tucker Carlson and you’ll see. He doesn’t acquiesce to government requests for moderation control, censorship, and sharing private user data so they target him. He refuses to implement backdoors as well. In stark contrast to western social media companies.

> He refuses to implement backdoors as well.

We have no way to know this, and (unlike Signal), Telegram doesn't give us best-effort assurances by doing things like open-sourcing its code.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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How does Meta cooperate with the authorities? Isn't Whatsapp supposed to be end-to-end encrypted?

> Isn't Whatsapp supposed to be end-to-end encrypted? It is supposedly end-to-end encrypted. And in a shallow way. Also the app is closed source and you can't develop your own. It's basically end-to-end-trust-me-bro-level encrypted.

I'm more disturbed by the fact that on HN we have 0 devs confirming or denying this thing about FBs internals wrt encryption. We know there are many devs that work there that are also HN users. But I've yet to see one of them chime in on this discussion.

That should scare a lot of us.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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I've actually given up trying to post on Reddit for this reason. Whenever I've tried to join in on a discussion in some subreddit that's relevant(eg r/chess) my post has been autoremoved by a bot because my karma is too low or my account is "too new". Well how can I get any karma if all my posts are deleted?

You ask for the post to get approved. You probably can't imagine the amount of spam subreddits suffer under.

Mods simply ignore any such messages, especially from new or low karma accounts. Entreaties into the void.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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One of those was @rtnews which is definitely state-sponsored propaganda and remains inaccessible to this day. They cooperated to some degree, but I'll go out on a limb to say that the authorities wanted Telegram to be fully subservient to western government interests.

i should be allowed to watch whatever state propaganda i want, i'm a big boy 15 years ago in the US this would have been uncontroversial

Don't get me wrong, if you really want to watch it, I think you should be allowed to.

Personally I'm undecided about whether these channels should be publicly available on e.g. free TV channels, but that's getting off topic.

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