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Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Telegram is genuinely the best general communication platform I have ever used, by far. I really hope he has a good lawyer and this doesn't end up getting essentially murdered for creating it. When you create something that is objectively great, everyone will use it - including bad actors.

You like it better than Signal? The only thing I know Telegram for is several of my girlfriend’s relatives being exposed to crazy scams and right-wing conspiracy theories and misinformation on it.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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post #15
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram doesn't have much to do with E2EE.

Can you, please, elaborate? Wasn't it their main feature and the selling point?

Telegram e2ee FAQ covers the nuances https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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post #6

Telegram is genuinely the best general communication platform I have ever used, by far. I really hope he has a good lawyer and this doesn't end up getting essentially murdered for creating it. When you create something that is objectively great, everyone will use it - including bad actors.

Video and Audio calls are hit and miss. The history and search are not reliable. The interface is not really suited for big group chats... I could go on and on.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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I'm genuinely curious to what would happen with Signal if the same bad actors moved to their platform. Would France also be arresting its creators for not properly moderating and giving backdoors?

Signal always sounded like they have better lawyers and are not as antagonistic. Police work is not only about encryption. But a lot of it involves metadata. And you know, just booting bad actors from the platform.

They also don't have public groups with questionable material, as far as I know

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

#35
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram doesn't have much to do with E2EE.

> French authorities believe that Telegram, under Durov’s leadership, became a major platform for organised crime due to its encrypted messaging services, which allegedly facilitated illegal activities Sounds like it was because of E2EE.

Nope. It's because of the large telegram group chats for the most part and those aren't E2EE. The only chats that can be E2EE on telegram are one to one DMs and that's only if you manually enable it.

i.e. They refused to turn over chat records that they have server side access to.

It's worth noting that they could do E2EE here for group chats but they don't. Signal does it but telegram wholesale refused to.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

#36
post #6

Telegram is genuinely the best general communication platform I have ever used, by far. I really hope he has a good lawyer and this doesn't end up getting essentially murdered for creating it. When you create something that is objectively great, everyone will use it - including bad actors.

And tactics exist outside of control of communications, to capture these bad actors, to infiltrate their ranks; why are these alternatives to fighting the production of child exploitation and abuse content not brought up in conversation ever?

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

#37
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram doesn't have much to do with E2EE.

> French authorities believe that Telegram, under Durov’s leadership, became a major platform for organised crime due to its encrypted messaging services, which allegedly facilitated illegal activities Sounds like it was because of E2EE.

It doesn't do E2EE by default, you need to select it when messaging someone.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

#38

France is arresting people for providing end-to-end encrypted communications? What could possibly go wrong!

I don't why you were downvoted. Because that is exactly what is going on. EU is generally on a open-encryption-by-warrant path and this is a great example of applying some pressuring.

Should we enable the Iranian polotical refugee to communicate in secret with her family ?

Should we by warrant enable the possibility to open up messages when pedofiles sell or buy children for sex ?

Nasty questions.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

#39
post #10

What is the difference between telegram and cell phone providers other than encryption in relation to these charges?

Your cell phone provider will cooperate with the authorities immediately and without question.

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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

#40
Whoa, it's absurd if true... I fail to see how being responsible for not cooperating with authorities can be turned into being accused of these crimes. And I don't care for the legal gymnastics which makes this possible - the law exists to serve the public interest and is of no inherent value.
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