What about Signal? What about Messenger and Whatsapp, also end-to-end encrypted? Will they be arrested? Is this the end of end-to-end encryption chats?
telegram isn't e2ee
Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
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#442Use the CEO as lever to gain control over a Russian controlled medium used to deliver unfiltered information about a lot of ongoing conflicts right now. Can't have that when you're hell bent on war.
Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
#443A most likely outcome now is that a deal will be made to avoid jail time and he'll let EU do the backdoors or whatever they were asking politely first. Telegram has also tried to distance itself from TON crypto token, but it is so obvious how it still serves the original Durov's vision and controlled by a team of founders (aka initial token holders), now proofing their stakes for a supposedly decentralized blockchain…
Are there clear and certain rules, that cannot be interpreted differently by different judges, about how you should run the messenger? For example, are you required to ask for a phone number and passport photo to sign up, etc?
By "clear rules" I mean not something vague like "you should not cooperate with criminals" (does "criminals" include not yet convicted criminals? does it include Trump? what is "cooperate") or "you should not allow illegal content" (what is exact definition of "illegal"? how can a person declare some content "illegal" without going through the court?).
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#444Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it is an encrypted service, how would the company censor and tackle these issues? I’m asking from a technical standpoint.
It is not encrypted by default. By default, everything goes through Telegram servers and can be read there.
I have always assumed that Telegram was a Russian op. Any doubts I had were resolved by this event. [0]
> Deputy Russian State Duma Speaker Vladislav Davankov said he had sent an appeal to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to seek Durov's release.
> "His arrest may be politically motivated and a tool to gain access to the personal information of Telegram users. This must not be allowed," the state-run RIA Novosti news agency quoted Davankov as saying.
[0] https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/08/25/telegram-boss-pave...
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#445The quality of posts in this thread are unusually low for Hacker News. Is this place being brigaded? Extremely uncharitable readings and frankly conspiracy theories everywhere.
this correlates with the telegram userbase
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#446Earlier quoted context omitted.
Durov has been shilling his crypto scams while shitting on all those services you're talking about (well, at least Signal) claiming they don't do anything for privacy. Considering how he's tarnished Signal, there is absolutely no reason for them or anyone else to back him up. What will be very funny is the fact that Telegram is pretty much not encrypted (yeah ok, "secret chats", whatever sure) and now that investigat…
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Must be nice to make claims without evidence.
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#447https://x.com/christogrozev/status/1827450631462048023 > I wonder what caught up with him first: the undisturbed sale of hard drugs vIa telegram, or the undisturbed recruitment of freelancers for GRU's terrorist attacks across Europe. Seems there could be some truth to the accusations.
Cannot terrorist-freelancers (whatever that means) be recruited with Element, Signal, VK or email on Yandex?
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#448Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just because he is the CEO doesn’t mean he is directly liable. The company is a separate entity. I don’t see anyone arresting Elon or other CEOs because of “not enough moderation.” Most actions are to block platform access. There must be something else for sure.
Twitter doesn't encrypt messages, so there is indeed no chance of that happening - after all the reasoning for this arrest is fundamentally inapplicable to Twitter. It's however a very very very slippery slope to prosecute someone for providing the tools to hold encrypted communication, just because this is also used by criminals. A lot of privacy oriented services would probably have to exit France if this holds up
by default telegram doesn't encrypt anything. I'm not sure if you where implying that telegram had encryption and therefore hiding illicite activities.
The problems is the huge telegram channels spreading hacks and illicite tricks.
There is no such threats against Signal which is way more privacy oriented. (except for some new laws in UK where Signal said if they are applied, they would withdraw from the UK market:https://fortune.com/2023/07/13/signal-president-mass-surveil...
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#449Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
#450Earlier quoted context omitted.
Twitter already got warned about hosting Trump by the EU.
That warning was not an official EU position: > "Thierry Breton, the French commissioner, had posted the warning letter on X, the platform owned by Musk, hours before the billionaire interviewed US presidential candidate Donald Trump, also on X." > "On Tuesday the European Commission denied Breton had approval from its president Ursula von der Leyen to send the letter." https://www.ft.com/content/09cf4713-7199-4e47-a…
Ursula von der Leyen is not the Queen of the EU, no matter how much she'd like to be. Other people have the authority to speak and act officially without checking with her. That doesn't make their statements any less official, nor would her endorsement make them any more official.