Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

Post by MichaelZuo » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 10:59 PM UTC

qingcharles wrote: post #307

chad1n wrote: post #3

From Telegram sources: >Pavel Durov faces up to 20 years in prison in France. The trial will take place very soon – sources close to the investigation. In addition to drug trafficking, he is accused of collaborating with an organized crime group, covering up for pedophiles, fraud and money laundering. I don't know how reliable this is, but I've seen in 3-4 sources that he's arrested for terrorism, child abuse, drug t…

The trial will take place soon? That seems very unlikely. I don't think France has a statutory number of days in their speedy trial right, so even if you demand trial as you walk in the door, for a serious trial of this size, with this many charges, my experience is saying one to two years for trial. Now, France does have more rights on pre-trial detention, so he might be able to get some sort of bail, but he's an en…

Post by mikae1 » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 11:00 PM UTC

nextos wrote: post #346

jfim wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One detail that's missing from the English article is why he got arrested. The French article mentions: Why was he under threat of a search warrant? The Justice considers that the absence of moderation, cooperation with law enforcement and the tools offered by Telegram (disposable numbers, cryptocurrencies...) makes him an accomplice to drug trafficking, child-crime offenses and swindling.

Does this mean that according to EU, or France, E2E-encrypted platforms need to "cooperate" (provide backdoors)? Or does it refer to public channels only?

Post by vhiremath4 » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 11:01 PM UTC

sega_sai wrote: post #322

A bunch of people in comments here seem to misunderstand what telegram is. It is not just a messaging app, it is essentially a platform like twitter, with channels, hundreds of thousands of subscribers to those. While I fully support E2EE communication with no back-doors, I think it is perfectly fair for governments to have some control to take down large channels that are clearly against the law. I do not know the t…

Post by mandmandam » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 11:02 PM UTC

vessenes wrote: post #19

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

Post by foverzar » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 11:04 PM UTC

linotype wrote: post #50

So much for “Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité”. I wonder if this will help push founders more to the US.