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BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by doodaddy »

tailrecursion wrote: post #206
foobazgt wrote: post #180

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I don't really get this. "Love the art, not the artist" is pretty much an essentialism for participating in modern human society. Try taking a moment to trace through everything you consume and see how much of it was originated by very flawed human beings - some monstrously so. This extends in every direction, even all the way out to things like massive scientific discoveries. Nothing's immune, because we're all huma…

This appears to be downvoted, but why? I'd like to see the counterargument that we need to put each executive, author, director, or artist through a purity test before we can appreciate or purchase their work. How about listing a few pure American car CEOs. Consumers are free to make choices based on anything they want: but whining in public about how some tweets affect your opinion on a car is not the same thing as…

Why? Because art and business aren’t the same. “Love the capital, not the capitalist” doesn’t work because unlike artists, capital influences elections. It influences policy and thereby impacts real people’s lives in a real way.

Also unlike artists, the head of a company oversees hundreds or thousands of people. Their whims and actions likewise have direct impact on people’s lives.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by primitivesuave »

kanbara wrote: post #219
primitivesuave wrote: post #149

In this particular case, it's worth the reminder that BMW's founder (Günther Quandt) was a strong financial supporter of the Nazi party, and his children (Herbert and Harald Quandt) enslaved tens of thousands of people in BMW factories before the collapse of Nazi Germany. I'm not trying to tell anyone to boycott BMW or Mercedes - just trying to add some historical context for those who instantly react to Tesla news w…

lived in germany for 8 years. the living heiress to a biscuit company fortune is still a nazi sympathiser today. nobody cares about the bmw founder who is dead. every company in germany had ties to the NSDAP, let’s focus on real nazis and antisemites and racists (elon) not dead ones.

Genuinely curious here and not trying to start a debate or sound rhetorical (I just don't keep up with the news that much) - what did Elon do that was racist?

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by twobitshifter »

dylan604 wrote: post #169
mathgeek wrote: post #156

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Registration is generally done when the consumer takes possession of the vehicle.

I understand when registration is done, but that does not answer the question. Are the numbers what the makers sell to the dealers but have yet been sold to a buyer, or are they legit sells to buyers? I can see where the makers pad their numbers by using what was sold to the dealers to have on the lots as they've technically sold the car, but it's a misleading number. Same game as storage makers using powers of 10 vs…

the quote says “registrations” therefore it is when possession is taken

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by TacticalCoder »

electronbeam wrote: post #2

Maybe I’m in a bubble, but I didn’t even notice BMW had EVs

> Maybe I’m in a bubble, but I didn’t even notice BMW had EVs

I'd say you've indeed been living in a serious bubble. The European Commission decided, years ago, that by 2035 (which is around the corner), not a single new car could be sold in the EU if it wasn't 100% electric. Not even hybrid.

Since that decision they backtracked a little bit but meanwhile all the german automanufacturers started freaking out and started, in a hurry, to come up with EVs.

It's not just BMW. Porsche, Mercedes, Audi/VW: they all produce EVs now.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by regnull »

electronbeam wrote: post #2

Maybe I’m in a bubble, but I didn’t even notice BMW had EVs

You might not notice them because they look like regular BMW. For example, you wouldn't know i4 is electric just by looks. But I'd recommend anyone who is thinking of buying a Tesla to give BMW EV a test drive, you might end up getting it (like I did).

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

slg wrote: post #191
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #168

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> The NY Post's Twitter has been banned multiple times They were, in particular, suspended immediately prior to the 2020 election over a story that was substantially accurate. > Twitter had terms of use. Everything has terms of use. All of the terms of use are purposely written so that anything the company wants can be construed as a violation. But also, "misgendering people" is a point of political dispute . "We pro…

>But also, "misgendering people" is a point of political dispute. If I ask you to call me Bill and you keep calling me William, you're an asshole. I don't know how misgendering people is any different. Just call people what they want to be called. You don't have to turn this into some ideological battle.

> I don't know how misgendering people is any different.

If your gender is like your name, which you can choose yourself, then it can't be bound to anything you can't change, like your chromosomes or the hormone levels you had during puberty. In other words, it can't map to biological sex. Which, okay, that's kind of the idea, isn't it? Someone wants to have sex male but gender female.

Except that then nobody really cares about gender at all. When you want to have things like women's sports or prospective dating interactions in which people may want to have biological children or anything else where sex differences actually matter, what people want you to declare is not your gender but your sex.

This then becomes the motte and bailey where gender is supposed to be different than sex but somebody who has reason to actually care about sex is then told that they have to accept gender instead or they're a bigot, as if they aren't different. And that is the point of political contention.

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Post by throw0101d »

throwadobe wrote: post #95
okr wrote: post #70

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Was it not the mission of Tesla to make electrical cars an alternative to cars running on petrol? To me this was achieved. Bmw or Tesla, i do not care about that too much. But we have an alternative. Great! And politics, well, only for people who do not agree with him it is an issue. But that's normal in politics, is it not?

The mission of Tesla is to maximize value to its shareholders

> The mission of Tesla is to maximize value to its shareholders

That is one philosophy:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_doctrine

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareholder_primacy

It is not the only one:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeholder_theory

* https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2012/06/26/the-shareholder-v...

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Post by mensetmanusman »

slg wrote: post #191
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #168

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> The NY Post's Twitter has been banned multiple times They were, in particular, suspended immediately prior to the 2020 election over a story that was substantially accurate. > Twitter had terms of use. Everything has terms of use. All of the terms of use are purposely written so that anything the company wants can be construed as a violation. But also, "misgendering people" is a point of political dispute . "We pro…

>But also, "misgendering people" is a point of political dispute. If I ask you to call me Bill and you keep calling me William, you're an asshole. I don't know how misgendering people is any different. Just call people what they want to be called. You don't have to turn this into some ideological battle.

Forcing speech is different than recommendations.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

neofrommatrix wrote: post #132
okr wrote: post #70

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Was it not the mission of Tesla to make electrical cars an alternative to cars running on petrol? To me this was achieved. Bmw or Tesla, i do not care about that too much. But we have an alternative. Great! And politics, well, only for people who do not agree with him it is an issue. But that's normal in politics, is it not?

I was seriously considering a Model X until Mr. Musk decided to open up on his political ideology..

That will teach the atmosphere

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by neofrommatrix »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #229
neofrommatrix wrote: post #132

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I was seriously considering a Model X until Mr. Musk decided to open up on his political ideology..

That will teach the atmosphere

There’s other EVs out there.
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