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BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by cameldrv »

two_handfuls wrote: post #22

The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

It's incredible what's happened in the past year. I know a lot of people that own Teslas. Almost all of them have said they won't buy another one, entirely due to garbage Elon posts on Twitter. A number of them have said they are considering selling their Teslas.

When you run a company whose core customer base is tree huggers, it takes a special kind of crazy to say the kind of stuff he has. Of course he can think what he wants, but no one is forcing him to retweet every spicy meme he comes across.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by cameldrv »

al_borland wrote: post #153
pornel wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An expensive car is also a status symbol. But when the brand is inseparable from Elon's shitposting, it's not something to brag about any more.

I think the number of Uber drivers with Teslas makes it seem like less of a status symbol. A Model 3 or Y isn’t a flex. They start around $30k, which isn’t exactly luxury pricing. Making cars people can afford is a good thing, but once that happens, it stops being a status symbol.

It may not be a flex, but having an electric car is still a statement (less than it used to be, but still) that you're a high tech, forward thinking, environmentally conscious person. The problem is that now it's also a statement that you're a Trump supporter.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by otterley »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #143
marcosdumay wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But that's normal in politics, is it not? Excluding a part of the population for no practical reason at all is bad business. But when the politics becomes extremist, that share becomes huge, and it becomes disastrous business. Some people are motivated enough to lose business for their principles. But the guy's principles is "big business is right"... I'm not sure what he wants to achieve.

> Excluding a part of the population for no practical reason at all is bad business. But when the politics becomes extremist, that share becomes huge, and it becomes disastrous business. Companies do this all the time though. The trade off is, of course, that you get more support from customers the other side. > But the guy's principles is "big business is right"... I'm not sure what he wants to achieve. This is not…

> 70% said it didn't, so he bought it.

70% of his followers and/or who saw the poll said it didn't. Hardly a valid survey by any best practice among pollsters.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by sangnoir »

al_borland wrote: post #144
jltsiren wrote: post #84

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I think it should be the opposite. If you buy a cheap thing and suddenly start feeling uncomfortable using it in public, you can just buy another cheap thing. With expensive things, you want to play it safe, because replacing it will be expensive if you start having second thoughts.

Step 1 is to stop buying things (or not) because you care how it will make you look to other people who don’t actually care. I don’t have a Tesla, but if someone is going to judge me based on the assumed political views of the CEO of the car brand I happen to drive… they need to get a life. Does the company make a good car? That’s the only thing that actually matters.

> Step 1 is to stop buying things (or not) because you care how it will make you look to other people who don’t actually care

Car OEMs invest millions in branding on the basis of/to promote the opposite of what you're saying: the brand is an expression or an extension of the buyers identity.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

two_handfuls wrote: post #22

The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

I was a really long term shareholder in Tesla. Like back when the Oatmeal made that famous Tesla comic strip.

When he started calling people pedophiles on the internet and when I saw the board whose fiduciary duty is to keep the CEO in check do nothing, I exited my entire position.

It is an absolute failure of the board that no one questions his dumb decisions of pandering to the right to save some taxes, when the main customers are on the left.

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Post by coryrc »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #167
neofrommatrix wrote: post #132

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I was seriously considering a Model X until Mr. Musk decided to open up on his political ideology..

This attitude reads to me like: only those who agree with you deserve a place in our economy and society.

Huh, where have I heard that before?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/gay-rights...

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by sangnoir »

primitivesuave wrote: post #151
LeoPanthera wrote: post #142

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Do you feel that a person who died in 1982 has any influence over the company today?

The only reason the company exists today is because of the crimes of the Quandt family.

Would you be surprised if some people swear off buying BMWs for that reason?

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

minkles wrote: post #26
two_handfuls wrote: post #22

The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

Yeah as a former Model S owner I don’t want it be associated with the brand or support it any more. Also it was a crap car.

I had a first version of Model S and I loved it. Since then every model made has been rushed out and it shows. I moved to the Porsche electric as my next electric.

Re: BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

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Post by foobazgt »

epistasis wrote: post #25
two_handfuls wrote: post #22

The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.

Yes, Tesla's execution has been really terrible. There's some really good tech inside their cars, but the direction of which cars to make, when, and the investments in non-car tech, the over-promising of "Full Self Driving," etc. All huge detractors. There's also the CEO, who has a huge public profile, deciding to become extremely political, which smart CEOs usually avoid doing because it has little potential to help…

I don't really get this. "Love the art, not the artist" is pretty much an essentialism for participating in modern human society. Try taking a moment to trace through everything you consume and see how much of it was originated by very flawed human beings - some monstrously so. This extends in every direction, even all the way out to things like massive scientific discoveries. Nothing's immune, because we're all human.

I'm in the process of buying my 3rd Tesla, because I still don't think there's anything better out there (based on my personal needs). I'm not making any political or moral statements. I'm just buying an excellent vehicle.

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