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Meanwhile the actions of BMW's founder (Herbert Quandt) have been largely forgotten.
Do you feel that a person who died in 1982 has any influence over the company today?
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They’ve been in the BEV market for a bit. Not long after the first Tesla Model S was released, BMW released the i3. That one’s since been discontinued but they have at least 8 other BMW i models on the market.
The i3 was such a great city car, well ahead of its time. Such a shame that they have apparently abandoned the EV design ethos embodied in that car (and that car alone) in favour of bloated luxo-barges. Tell me that your EV strategy is about brand greenwashing without telling me it’s about brand greenwashing. They seem to be really focused on chasing the Boomer demographic. I’m a happy former customer (twice over) bu…
I am also upset that Smart failed at turning their ForTwo into an affordable EV.
Two great small cars that are gone.
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I think you're right, but I'm not so sure it's actually impacting sales to a large degree. For most people a 50k car is a huge investment that won't hinge on whether or not you agree with the CEO's politics.
An expensive car is also a status symbol. But when the brand is inseparable from Elon's shitposting, it's not something to brag about any more.
A Model 3 or Y isn’t a flex. They start around $30k, which isn’t exactly luxury pricing. Making cars people can afford is a good thing, but once that happens, it stops being a status symbol.
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> But that's normal in politics, is it not? Excluding a part of the population for no practical reason at all is bad business. But when the politics becomes extremist, that share becomes huge, and it becomes disastrous business. Some people are motivated enough to lose business for their principles. But the guy's principles is "big business is right"... I'm not sure what he wants to achieve.
> Excluding a part of the population for no practical reason at all is bad business. But when the politics becomes extremist, that share becomes huge, and it becomes disastrous business. Companies do this all the time though. The trade off is, of course, that you get more support from customers the other side. > But the guy's principles is "big business is right"... I'm not sure what he wants to achieve. This is not…
> the Twitter acquisition followed a period of Twitter (and most other social media) banning a lot of conservative accounts for publishing truthful reporting (New York Post)
The NY Post's Twitter has been banned multiple times, including the most recent one that happened in March 2023, well after Musk's takeover of the company.
> or actual satire with the disfavored political leaning (Babylon Bee)
Yes. Twitter had terms of use. And posting hateful and targeted attacks misgendering people was against their terms. This wasn't some "THEY'RE PERSECUTING ME FOR MUH CONSERVATIVE BELIEFS!". This was just flat out them being unambiguous assholes.
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> But that's normal in politics, is it not? Excluding a part of the population for no practical reason at all is bad business. But when the politics becomes extremist, that share becomes huge, and it becomes disastrous business. Some people are motivated enough to lose business for their principles. But the guy's principles is "big business is right"... I'm not sure what he wants to achieve.
> Excluding a part of the population for no practical reason at all is bad business. But when the politics becomes extremist, that share becomes huge, and it becomes disastrous business. Companies do this all the time though. The trade off is, of course, that you get more support from customers the other side. > But the guy's principles is "big business is right"... I'm not sure what he wants to achieve. This is not…
If by "do this all the time" - you mean pander towards a specific affinity group, then I agree. Patagonia's politics are well known.
What's less common is for CEOs to reverse polarity and publicly declare loyalty to a party in opposition of the products alleged mission.
I did some digging.The title is misleading - YTD Tesla is way ahead - https://imgur.com/56eG7CN Actual Numbers - BMW registration for the month of July 2024 were up by 300~ cars. Original Source - https://www.jato.com/resources/media-and-press-releases/bmw-... Quoting this comment - streptomycin- Yes https://i.imgur.com/ZNv1AyD.jpg Although BMW is making some nice EVs and they are selling more than they used to, the…
> BMW registration for the month of July 2024 Do the manufactures consider sales to dealers in their sales numbers or are they actual sales to people that then registers the car as in use?
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> Tesla has massively benefited from subsidies to EVs, but is alienating the political party that has enabled all of that. Well, he's expecting some reciprocity from the next administration for all his help, and Trump has said openly that he will support EVs as a consequence of Elon's strong support.
The political party that ignored Tesla’s accomplishments because of union politics?
The idea that it has anything to do with Tesla, as opposed to anything else, is a bit weird.
If one or two Republicans like the idea of EV subsidies without union labor, their votes could have shifted everything. But of course, there was universal condemnation of these polices by all Republicans.
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Mercedes is taking legal liability for their L3 system. That's better than Tesla GM's supercruise allows safe hands free driving as a L2 system. That's better than Tesla Waymo is operating a true L4 system in multiple markets. That's better than Tesla. Tesla has a better than average L2 system in autopilot. They have a downright dangerous L2 system in FSD that through its very design encourages unsafe driving habits.…
FSD literally yells at you if you look away for more than 2-3 seconds. it's much safer than not
This is going to happen eventually. There are many reasons why Tesla is going to hit a ceiling. Tesla build quality is terrible . Their service department is overbooked, under staffed, expensive, and not set up for success. Environmental people won't want to support Elon, and right wing people who like him won't want to buy an electric car. It's only a matter of time before established players eat Tesla's lunch.
headline was misleading and so is any theory explaining false events
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We cancelled ours when he tweeted and insinuated there were valid reasons for someone sneaking into the Pelosi house and hitting her husband in the head with a hammer. It would have been our second Tesla purchase and now we have none. Could not imagine being associated with Elon in any way and certainly not in the car I drive around.
The article is about European sales though. I know some European people are obsessed with American politics as if there was nothing worth discussing that's European, but the number of people who knows and cares about whatever happened at Nancy Pelosi's house, then knows what Elon had to say about that, then deciding it's so egregious that they can't buy a Tesla anymore it's probably single digits.
Which is probably the main point. It's well known that American companies sell a higher proportion of their cars in America than in Europe and vice versa. That a foreign company was ever outselling domestic producers in a region with a large automotive industry is an unusual and generally short-lived phenomenon.