BMW Overtakes Tesla in European EV Sales for First Time

Post by kanbara » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 1:39 AM UTC

foobazgt wrote: post #180

epistasis wrote: post #25

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Yes, Tesla's execution has been really terrible. There's some really good tech inside their cars, but the direction of which cars to make, when, and the investments in non-car tech, the over-promising of "Full Self Driving," etc. All huge detractors. There's also the CEO, who has a huge public profile, deciding to become extremely political, which smart CEOs usually avoid doing because it has little potential to help…

I don't really get this. "Love the art, not the artist" is pretty much an essentialism for participating in modern human society. Try taking a moment to trace through everything you consume and see how much of it was originated by very flawed human beings - some monstrously so. This extends in every direction, even all the way out to things like massive scientific discoveries. Nothing's immune, because we're all huma…

Post by kanbara » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 1:42 AM UTC

leesec wrote: post #127

driverdan wrote: post #104

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> Price has dropped, quality increased Has it though? Look at what a mess the Cybertruck is. Price is nearly double what was originally promised, quality is the lowest of any vehicle on the US market.

What are you talking about lol. It's best selling car in the world over 100k and widely loved

Post by kanbara » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 1:45 AM UTC

closeparen wrote: post #41

electronbeam wrote: post #2

Maybe I’m in a bubble, but I didn’t even notice BMW had EVs

The most popular BMW EV is probably the i4, which has that incredibly loud and ugly 4-series grille shape with a flat, plasticky-looking material. They're very noticeable! In a bad way. Image: https://bmwi.bimmerpost.com/forums/attachment.php?s=aae66d26...

Post by foobazgt » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 1:46 AM UTC

goodluckchuck wrote: post #54

leesec wrote: post #40

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>The real reason Tesla is suffering is because they've not delivered on innovation, quality, or price in a long time. Haha what. Price has dropped, quality increased, their self driving tech recently had a step change in functionality. I don't really think Tesla is suffering but I think most of these narratives are in peoples heads and don't reflect reality.

And a technical sense yes but the only new model they’ve released recently is the cyber truck. Otherwise their sedans and crossovers outwardly appear to be basically the same thing they were selling in 2012. Meanwhile, BMW has a fleet of eight different electric vehicles, with more modern styling, leather, and just the ability to differentiate. Of course, Tesla is well into the black on their models whereas I doubt t…

  - more powerful rear motor, 10% faster 0-60, breaking 10s quarter mile
  - track mode v3
  - heat pump
  - matrix headlights
  - adaptive suspension w/ frequency response suspension dampers
  - ryzen media control unit
  - triple pane glass
  - heated steering wheel
  - sport seating
  - ventilated seats
  - usb-c ports
  - rear entertainment system
  - HW4
  - updated wheels/tires
  - exterior styling updates (front bumper, non-chrome handles, etc...)
  - interior styling updates (LED lighting, carbon fiber dash, etc...)

Post by primitivesuave » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 1:49 AM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #178

primitivesuave wrote: post #151

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The only reason the company exists today is because of the crimes of the Quandt family.

Would you be surprised if some people swear off buying BMWs for that reason?