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Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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The entire App Store is still within the marketing department, which is all you need to know about how the App Store is run. This reorganization is internal to marketing, and the leaders are all part of that team.

That's not terribly surprising; the AppStore is about discovery, which essentially is marketing.

Or, as I prefer to call it, shilling.

Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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Interesting that they are creating a separate team just for the EU app store, presumably because the EU is forcing Apple to make some changes. It seems like the investigations in the US, UK, Japan, etc will eventually lead to them being required to make similar changes everywhere.

Creating a separate store just to be able to get away with anti consume anti competitive practices everywhere else is just so dishonest and unethical. I don’t understand why consumers give Apple the benefit of the doubt, trusting such a powerful entity to be benevolent. But I guess maybe it is because the everyday user isn’t visibly affected by those practices and they don’t know that they could benefit from change?

The alternative here is Google/Samsung.

I'm not sure what you expect consumers to do, but my other halfs Pixel phones have been absolutely rubbish with a significant flaw each generation.

My Fitbit has been degrading ever since Google picked them up.

Samsung at least gives me working reliable hardware, but are still stuck with Android and Googles forcing of shitty extras.

Other Android providers exist, but after being burnt several times by providers abandoning updates and my work VPN refusing to run with old versions with security flaws, I dont blame people for just going down the route that mostly works.

We need an alternative to Android, but that would require companies to make web pages again instead of apps.

Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

#73

Interesting that they are creating a separate team just for the EU app store, presumably because the EU is forcing Apple to make some changes. It seems like the investigations in the US, UK, Japan, etc will eventually lead to them being required to make similar changes everywhere.

Creating a separate store just to be able to get away with anti consume anti competitive practices everywhere else is just so dishonest and unethical. I don’t understand why consumers give Apple the benefit of the doubt, trusting such a powerful entity to be benevolent. But I guess maybe it is because the everyday user isn’t visibly affected by those practices and they don’t know that they could benefit from change?

I don’t give Apple the benefit of the doubt, but Google didn’t encrypt my phone back when I was using it, and living in a city where mugging is frequent, this is criminal.

Also I’ve always been disappointed with every single feature of Android, but that’s on the side of my choice matrix.

Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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> There will now be one team for the familiar, Apple-run App Store, and another one to handle alternative app stores in the European Union Could someone explain why Apple needs someone to handle something they're not doing? I assume 3rd party companies are running their own servers and everything, is this just for the client-side software development? Tangential but it's funny how by digging their heels in so tightly…

Why do all the Big Tech companies have teams dedicated to Privacy, Trust & Safety, AI Ethics, etc? The way a large organization functions is to have a directly-responsible individual for each attribute that they care about (or don't care about, but are legally required to do), and then assume that person is looking out to advance that interest. They may or may not succeed - in large companies it's often very difficul…

This. Compliance - and preferably through deferred accountability, is the modus operandi of most, if not all, larger organisations.

Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

After Authy discontinued their Mac app, there was a several month period where I could install the iOS app on my Mac laptop to keep using it anyway. It stopped being installable a few weeks ago, presumably because they unchecked this box. (I bit the bullet and started paying for 1password and using it for my TOTP needs, btw) As a MacOS user, if you have only an iOS app and not a MacOS app, why not allow Macs to run i…

> It stopped being installable a few weeks ago, Well that sucks, I just recommended it to someone. I assume this also means it will eventually stop working for me once I upgrade something or other.

I personally started using 2FAS. It’s a wonderful little app with push notifications and autofill, it really is the nicest little 2FA App I’ve used thus far

Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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Am I seriously the only person who dislikes the alternative app stores and being allowed to install apps outside of app stores?

If there were problems with the margins or which types of apps were allowed regulations should have tackled that instead.

I don’t want my mother or grandmother to be able to install apps from random sources ever.

Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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post #76

Am I seriously the only person who dislikes the alternative app stores and being allowed to install apps outside of app stores? If there were problems with the margins or which types of apps were allowed regulations should have tackled that instead. I don’t want my mother or grandmother to be able to install apps from random sources ever.

You're not the only one. The crux however is that you can't force that on everyone. There's nothing stopping apple from adding a fuse bit you can set yourself to disallow alternative app stores. That'd be completely legal. As long as it's a free choice to set that bit.

Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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Since we're here I have a suggestion to offer. When submitting your mobile app to the App Store there is a checkbox/option somewhere asking you to if you want to distribute the app to Mac as well. DO NOT do that. If enough people do that we'll end up having a Mac app store walled garden powerful enough to extract its 30% tax.

After Authy discontinued their Mac app, there was a several month period where I could install the iOS app on my Mac laptop to keep using it anyway. It stopped being installable a few weeks ago, presumably because they unchecked this box. (I bit the bullet and started paying for 1password and using it for my TOTP needs, btw) As a MacOS user, if you have only an iOS app and not a MacOS app, why not allow Macs to run i…

The forthcoming MacOS Sequel will have an option to use your iPhone and its apps on a Mac.

https://www.apple.com/macos/macos-sequoia-preview/

Also: Apples Password stuff has some TOTP stuff build in.

(Personally I'm a little bit depressed about the iOS-apps-on-Mac stuff - they are never good, not as Mac Apps not in general. I'd like to live in a world with better desktop apps.)

Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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post #76

Am I seriously the only person who dislikes the alternative app stores and being allowed to install apps outside of app stores? If there were problems with the margins or which types of apps were allowed regulations should have tackled that instead. I don’t want my mother or grandmother to be able to install apps from random sources ever.

> If there were problems with the margins or which types of apps were allowed regulations should have tackled that instead.

Yes, and no.

So, regulations did say: you can't prevent users from using other default apps than the ones you tell users to use. Hence users get a lot of new default settings: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41322904

On the other hand you can't really have a regulation listing all possible apps and app features that should be allowed on the app store: there are just too many of them. So the best course of action is to let users install the apps on their own. As a result for no reason at all Apple now allows gaming emulators on the App Store because alternative app stores allow them.

It's a tough balance to strike.

Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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post #76

Am I seriously the only person who dislikes the alternative app stores and being allowed to install apps outside of app stores? If there were problems with the margins or which types of apps were allowed regulations should have tackled that instead. I don’t want my mother or grandmother to be able to install apps from random sources ever.

Then don't use that feature. This year alone Apple removed VPN apps on behalf of a Fascist country that they can't even do business in due to sanctions.
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