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Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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Post by willseth »

lapcat wrote: post #58
willseth wrote: post #56

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Now you're not only moving the goalposts, you're fabricating your own! App Store is not organized under marketing at Apple. Simple as that. You think there are too many "marketing types" running the App Store. Fine. That's not what you said and now you're trying to rationalize it.

You're being pedantic. It's a distinction without a difference. The OP said, "AppStore came out of iTunes and has always been part of services under Eddy Cue", but it's actually been a very long time since Cue was in charge of the App Store. Schiller became the head of the App Store while he was still SVP of marketing and continues to be the head of the App Store today. App Store is absolutely organized under marketi…

Schiller reports to Cook. You are literally making things up to suit a definition of "organized under marketing" that no one uses.

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Post by lapcat »

willseth wrote: post #61
lapcat wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being pedantic. It's a distinction without a difference. The OP said, "AppStore came out of iTunes and has always been part of services under Eddy Cue", but it's actually been a very long time since Cue was in charge of the App Store. Schiller became the head of the App Store while he was still SVP of marketing and continues to be the head of the App Store today. App Store is absolutely organized under marketi…

Schiller reports to Cook. You are literally making things up to suit a definition of "organized under marketing" that no one uses.

> Schiller reports to Cook.

Yes, and? I already mentioned that fact twice, two comments ago. Schiller has been reporting to Cook ever since Cook became CEO in 2011. Before that, Schiller reported to Steve Jobs.

> You are literally making things up to suit a definition of "organized under marketing" that no one uses.

I ask again: What would you call it, if not marketing?

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haswell wrote: post #59
jedberg wrote: post #39

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I've been using a very simple app called "OTP Auth" since I heard Steve Gibson talking about it on his Security Now podcast. It's a few dollars, works well, and I've been really happy with it after using Authy for years.

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Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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Post by peppertree »

lapcat wrote: post #58
willseth wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now you're not only moving the goalposts, you're fabricating your own! App Store is not organized under marketing at Apple. Simple as that. You think there are too many "marketing types" running the App Store. Fine. That's not what you said and now you're trying to rationalize it.

You're being pedantic. It's a distinction without a difference. The OP said, "AppStore came out of iTunes and has always been part of services under Eddy Cue", but it's actually been a very long time since Cue was in charge of the App Store. Schiller became the head of the App Store while he was still SVP of marketing and continues to be the head of the App Store today. App Store is absolutely organized under marketi…

I think you made a fair point AppStore is now under Schiller who reports directly to Cook, no longer under Eddy Cue. AppStore is big enough to be its own group not having to answers to service, software, or marketing. It's a digital goods store more parallel to retail.

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Post by vlovich123 »

akmarinov wrote: post #34
vlovich123 wrote: post #25

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Doesn’t the EU’s DMA fix this?

It doesn’t apply to macOS, since it doesn’t have the numbers to be a Gatekeeper platform

Are you sure? Apple argued that but the actual designation seems to ignore any attempt at OS breakdowns for the store itself but I’m not 100% sure of that

https://digital-markets-act-cases.ec.europa.eu/cases/DMA.100...

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Post by ASalazarMX »

lacker wrote: post #51

It's gotta be tough running the "EU Alternative App Store" team, when the best thing for Apple overall would be if the alternative app store was a complete product failure, while technically satisfying all laws and regulations. Imagine doing a great job and building a great product, and upper management being like, well... strategically, ideally this product wouldn't be so great. Let's put someone more incompetent in…

Apple is the kind of King Solomon that would indeed give the baby to the second woman, but cut in half regardless. Wonder if their corporate code of conduct has "Be a massive arrogant prick" instead of "Don't be evil".

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Post by ASalazarMX »

Miraste wrote: post #33
bogwog wrote: post #22

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Have you been following the news on this topic lately? Antitrust enforcement has had a huge resurgence under Biden, and it's actually looking like Google may get broken up soon. See: https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/11/24216760/google-trial-mon...

I have, and I don't believe that higher courts will ever go along with it. Microsoft lost their initial case too, and was ordered to break up at the time. Appeals courts prevent real change like that from happening--see the fate of the recent non-compete ban. Precedent suggests the antitrust cases will end in a small fine or a procedural change, at most.

"Alphabet extrudes smaller, useles Google to satisfy regulators"

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Post by toyg »

drexlspivey wrote: post #54
Miraste wrote: post #52

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Macs would become unusable because so much software doesn't come from the App Store. If they can get enough market penetration through other means first, that wouldn't be a problem. It would break all kinds of development processes, but Apple doesn't care about developers. They'd work out some kludge and do it anyway.

> but Apple doesn't care about developers Why? Their whole "Pro" line is targeting developers. How many enterprises/startups would have to switch away from macs if they cannot be used by their devs any more?

Apple targets developers of software for Apple platforms, who will always be able to operate (obviously). Everyone else is not a priority.

Re: Apple splits App Store team in two, introduces new leadership

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Post by madeofpalk »

renewiltord wrote: post #31

This is great. We get to see the experiment play out in real time. If it sucks, it'll only suck for the EU. If it rules, it's possible the global App Store will take on those characteristics or we may be able to do this by just importing from the EU.

Except we won’t actually see, because Apple still has their thumb massively on the scale to prevent any real competition.

https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-payment-opti...

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