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84% want stronger online privacy laws, but Congress's corruption stalls progress

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Re: 84% want stronger online privacy laws, but Congress's corruption stalls progress

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Post by soco »

glitchc wrote: post #7

The real truth is that strong privacy laws would cause economic harm to flagship corporations. That would have a ripple effect on the economy as those corporations are responsible for thousands of high-paying jobs. The elected representatives know that people care more about the economy (specifically what's in their wallets) than about privacy.

Is this a trickle-down style of argument? Or that corporations are holy? Or that they always have the job takers interests at heart? Or that the elected representatives are elected by the 16% who don't want stronger privacy laws? I'm confused.

Re: 84% want stronger online privacy laws, but Congress's corruption stalls progress

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Post by shagie »

linotype wrote: post #18
zooq_ai wrote: post #13

This is just another clueless populist article. The key to actually ask people "What are you willing to give up for X"? Are you ok being more annoyed with popups asking your permissions every time? Are you ok with a recession in Ad-based ecosystem (merchants, ad brokers, stock market depression, fewer IPOs) that may result due to this? Would you be OK with paying for services instead of an Ad model? (and before Virtu…

> Are you ok being more annoyed with popups asking your permissions every time? No, I’m really not. The EU regulation that caused every site to have a stupid cookie pop-up/banner has made the Web a significantly poorer experience.

I would like to remind people that the main European Union site ( https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en ) has a cookie popup as well as the site for European Commission for Data Protection https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection_e...

If this is the way that the flagship sites for the EU are going to do it and show how to be in compliance with the law, any other approach is too risky to implement.

Re: 84% want stronger online privacy laws, but Congress's corruption stalls progress

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Post by nottorp »

zooq_ai wrote: post #17
23B1 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an interesting argument I've heard from various quarters but have never seen any evidentiary material supporting it. Do you have any reliable sources that explore this correlation?

Yeah, just ask your favorite merchant how much it hurt their business and how many business shut down or lay off people due to Apple Tracking ban

merchant or ad peddler?

Re: 84% want stronger online privacy laws, but Congress's corruption stalls progress

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Post by repelsteeltje »

glitchc wrote: post #7

The real truth is that strong privacy laws would cause economic harm to flagship corporations. That would have a ripple effect on the economy as those corporations are responsible for thousands of high-paying jobs. The elected representatives know that people care more about the economy (specifically what's in their wallets) than about privacy.

That sounds like flagship corporations have a horrible business model if employees are highly-payed to invade privacy.

I'm sure, those companies have enough smart people to figure out some way to create high-paying jobs that do not rely on invasion of privacy.

[Added] ...if only they were incentivized to do so

Re: 84% want stronger online privacy laws, but Congress's corruption stalls progress

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Post by soco »

aurizon wrote: post #2

In a party based assembly(UK, Canada) the party leader tells each party member how to vote = the party line. Members can not vote against the party = out. In the US assembly(Congress and Senate) each members votes as he/she wishes. In all houses the votes(hands) are visible. This turns a vote into a currency. A lobbyist can see he gets what he has paid for and the 'bag' is passed. Every US voter has what both the Sen…

Secret or not, please don't generalize - in Switzerland they can vote as they please (even expected, although often parties will decide a certain line)

Re: 84% want stronger online privacy laws, but Congress's corruption stalls progress

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Post by bugtodiffer »

zooq_ai wrote: post #13

This is just another clueless populist article. The key to actually ask people "What are you willing to give up for X"? Are you ok being more annoyed with popups asking your permissions every time? Are you ok with a recession in Ad-based ecosystem (merchants, ad brokers, stock market depression, fewer IPOs) that may result due to this? Would you be OK with paying for services instead of an Ad model? (and before Virtu…

> Lobbyists are there to remind you of the costs and prevent from populism destroying civilizations

What? We have different views on lobbyism. I think it should be forbidden for companies to lobby

Re: 84% want stronger online privacy laws, but Congress's corruption stalls progress

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Post by zooq_ai »

Retric wrote: post #19
zooq_ai wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is clueless understanding of economics (and very prevalent in HN) Economics 101 : There is no fixed pie of $$$$. $$ (as in wealth, productivity) can absolutely disappear from the economy or grow from nothing.

The economy grows or shrinks with productivity but advertising specifically is zero sum. Coke vs Pepsi makes a great deal of difference to those specific companies and little else. If anything it’s slightly negative due to inefficiency because the winner isn’t the best product.

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Re: 84% want stronger online privacy laws, but Congress's corruption stalls progress

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Post by seydor »

repelsteeltje wrote: post #24
glitchc wrote: post #7

The real truth is that strong privacy laws would cause economic harm to flagship corporations. That would have a ripple effect on the economy as those corporations are responsible for thousands of high-paying jobs. The elected representatives know that people care more about the economy (specifically what's in their wallets) than about privacy.

That sounds like flagship corporations have a horrible business model if employees are highly-payed to invade privacy. I'm sure, those companies have enough smart people to figure out some way to create high-paying jobs that do not rely on invasion of privacy. [Added] ...if only they were incentivized to do so

One could say that Norway's flagship corporation has a horrible business model. The Norwegians have never held a referendum whether they should stop drilling , but they are so environmentally conscious that it's not unlikely. Should Norway stop drilling and let its sovereign fund collapse (along with the value of many global companies where it invests)? Is there any State that is purely moral?

Re: 84% want stronger online privacy laws, but Congress's corruption stalls progress

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Post by zooq_ai »

bugtodiffer wrote: post #26
zooq_ai wrote: post #13

This is just another clueless populist article. The key to actually ask people "What are you willing to give up for X"? Are you ok being more annoyed with popups asking your permissions every time? Are you ok with a recession in Ad-based ecosystem (merchants, ad brokers, stock market depression, fewer IPOs) that may result due to this? Would you be OK with paying for services instead of an Ad model? (and before Virtu…

> Lobbyists are there to remind you of the costs and prevent from populism destroying civilizations What? We have different views on lobbyism. I think it should be forbidden for companies to lobby

You are always welcome to go stay in a country where there are no lobbyists
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