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A $1 billion idea...that I know I'm not ready for

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Re: A $1 billion idea...that I know I'm not ready for

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This is one of those ideas that you really have to think from both sides. On the consumer side I get this really cool App which I click "I wanna buy a foo" and Blam! every place that both sells and has a foo in stock is right there on the page. Awesomesauce! Ok now look at it from the vendor side. I'm running my store, I need to make $2500 - $25,000 a day to make payroll. I carry a bunch of products, I don't make the…

Your comment points to the solution: that of increasing retailer specialization, and the need for local stores to focus on items that are not easily purchased through mail order. The corner grocery in an urban neighborhood doesn't compete on price with the supermarket 10 blocks away. It competes on convenience. I'm not saying the idea works, but there is more to it than just mapping all existing old school retail est…

That brings up an interesting idea of dynamic pricing based on pain (distance). Sort of the anti-hipmunk model. The app could offer close retailers extra profit because they are the most convenient to the customer OR the customer can opt to pay less by walking more.

Re: A $1 billion idea...that I know I'm not ready for

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My girlfriend and I came up with exactly the same idea a couple years ago. It is a pretty big one, and I could have used it last night when I needed a bar of soap at 10 PM in downtown Seattle.

For those of you who are saying stores would never go along with this: I ended up buying ice cream at the first store I could find that happened to have the soap, because I was tired and wanted ice cream. There's a competitive advantage to being the closest/best-priced store with a particular thing I need, because that gets me in the door with a guaranteed sale, and once I'm there I just might buy something else I don't need. If every corner store had a data-driven way to choose which products to carry, they would improve their business in a positive-sum way.

Re: A $1 billion idea...that I know I'm not ready for

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If you think a little, this is "OpenTable for shopping." Apparently, all the restaurants hate opentable, but they feel compelled to use it, because their competitors do.

What do they hate about it? I'm trying to "walk a mile in their shoes" as another poster put it but am coming up blank.

From what I recall about Open Table, what restauranteurs have said they hate most is the lock-in - once you're using Open Table it's very painful to stop since OT owns all the customer data. Plus there's the sunk cost of the OT hardware, including staff training etc.

Re: A $1 billion idea...that I know I'm not ready for

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Yea, we did that. Milo.com I agree that it's a good idea :)

Good stuff - big fan of your company. But you'd agree you did something pretty different, right? You started with the major retailers and integrated with existing inventory systems, if I'm not mistaken?

I think that was a better path forward - less software to develop, fewer companies to sell on the idea, etc.

Re: A $1 billion idea...that I know I'm not ready for

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I think in general people in this thread are missing an interesting facet of this solution. Suppose that the inventory system was also a POS system (which it'd probably have to be in reality), there's opportunity there for lots of analytics that a brick and mortar store just doesn't get. And, there's even the opportunity of integrating deals for loyal customers, etc, etc. The company providing the service could also…

The system behind the app should be both. When you think of yet another groupon, you jump a little to short IMHO. But if you add POS, inventory management and a unified sales / distribution channel and provide that to local stores and shops you'l get quite a product. But can't I stop to think of pg's frightening ambitious start-up ideas here? The odds are certainly against you, but the rewards will be equal if manage…

"The system behind the app should be both. "

POS systems are complex and need to have very low latency. On top of that, there are many different types of registers that can be used. On top of that, since you are dealing with the everyday transactions of a business, in order to ship your product you need to be damn sure it works as expected. This is going to lead to very long and expensive development times.

The investment for the stores that would likely be excited to be apart of this is too high for those stores. That software isn't free when they need to get new hardware to support all of the systems that need to integrated so that they can be apart of the search.

Re: A $1 billion idea...that I know I'm not ready for

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See: http://milo.com . Sold to eBay a few years ago for around $80 million.

Yeah, except Milo hit this from a different (and completely sensible) angle. While the OP suggests spending years building up a free inventory system for all local merchants, the Milo guys realized that 1) A huge percentage of stores these days are big name stores, and 2) Those stores all use one of about 5 different inventory systems. So they got at this problem by writing integration code with the existing inventor…

no, Milo did this

Re: A $1 billion idea...that I know I'm not ready for

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think a little, this is "OpenTable for shopping." Apparently, all the restaurants hate opentable, but they feel compelled to use it, because their competitors do.

What do they hate about it? I'm trying to "walk a mile in their shoes" as another poster put it but am coming up blank.

From what I've heard, it's frequently a profit issue. Many restaurants are operating on very thin profit margins per-table, and having to give OpenTable a cut of an entire reservation makes it even worse.

Re: A $1 billion idea...that I know I'm not ready for

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This is how I see it after working in a retail environment.

From a fortune 500 retailer point of view: They have IT staff dedicated to the POS systems and their inventory management system. They know how to make the POS systems fly. Oh and their supply chain software integrates with the inventory software, can you're product do that? No? Sorry we're going to pass. Not only that, they have tons of data warehouses of sales data going back to who knows when that the marketing people get to play with. They also may have a stringent budget and purchasing process and are most definitely led by non-technical executives. There is the old adage "You get what you pay for" and if you don't have to pay for the software then what do you get? They also have many locations (lets say 2000 for simplicity) all running the same registers. If your software doesn't support their registers, you can bet they are going to pass on you. Plus they have the advertising money to spend on AdWords campaign or paid search if need be.

Now a medium sized retailer a handful of locations. They are interested because it will allow their products to be found by those and they may be able to poach a few customers from the big box stores. Alas, but they too have existing POS software and inventory management software and would be willing to ditch them for something new. However, it may be hard for them to be the first to test out a new product since they rely on their customers and know that they could probably get the same items cheaper from a big box store. If there is any snag in their experience at their store (such as POS issues) than they could lose that customer for good. They are hesitant but would accept once it is proven and stable.

Then there are the small mom and pop stores. These may want to use the products but they don't have the infrastructure to support it. Heck, they are currently doing inventory in Excel and hate it, this would free up their time. But that free software isn't free when you need to buy new computers and registers to be able to support it.

Notice that I keep saying POS instead of just inventory management. The reason being is that those two need to integrate with one another and if you want live levels of stock at any given time, you will need to use the POS system as inventory management software is by the day (at least from what I've seen).

Plus, you get to the lock in factor. Is the software going to be free if I don't keep paying for the search stuff? What if I decide that it isn't working for us, do we have to switch software or can we keep using it for free? If you allow them to keep using it for free then there goes some profits. If you don't allow them to use it for free, then you get into a situation where it becomes a super expensive test since the software doesn't cost money but it costs time to set up the new software and train everybody on it and then if they don't like it switching back.

Re: A $1 billion idea...that I know I'm not ready for

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I think that there's two things that the restaurants hate - 1) It costs them money which eats into their already thin profit margin. 2) It makes it harder to build a relationship with the customers since the customer has to opt-in to giving their e-mail address to the restaurant which they're less likely to do compared to being asked for an e-mail address if you're making a booking directly with the restaurant. Havin…

I've never seen a restaurant that takes emails, only some retail stores so they can send you low-quality newsletters.

Benihana is one I know off the top of my head.

Re: A $1 billion idea...that I know I'm not ready for

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that there's two things that the restaurants hate - 1) It costs them money which eats into their already thin profit margin. 2) It makes it harder to build a relationship with the customers since the customer has to opt-in to giving their e-mail address to the restaurant which they're less likely to do compared to being asked for an e-mail address if you're making a booking directly with the restaurant. Havin…

Even if restaurants collect an email for booking, automatically opting them into mailouts is probably on the wrong side of spam laws.

Nope, you have an established business relationship then, so opt-out is okay.
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