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Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by warkdarrior »

sparky_ wrote: post #212
chown wrote: post #208

I've recently started using Arc mostly out of FOMO and there are parts that I like and parts I don't. I have been a Firefox user for a long time before that so glad to see something similar that's one of the major priorities is the aesthetics and I very much appreciate that. I tried to use it on my macOS Apple Silicone and got an error about it being broken and macOS suggested to trash it. Not sure if it is a bug iss…

This super unhelpful error is sometimes the result of trying to run an unsigned or developer signed binary on Apple Silicon. Try `xattr -d com.apple.quarantine program.app`, then open it by right clicking on the app, and selecting 'Open' while holding option + command.

Bypassing Gatekeeper (the binary signing process in macOS) does not seem like a good idea when downloading apps off random websites.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by tredre3 »

slenk wrote: post #302
butz wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This add-on is not actively monitored for security by Mozilla. Make sure you trust it before installing." What?

A lot of legitimate Firefox Addons say that. Just means Moz can't manually review every single extension if they want to allow their users a good extension experience...unlike developing Chrome extensions

> Just means Moz can't manually review every single extension

The extension in question is authored by Mozilla.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by 0x2a »

thraway3837 wrote: post #317
xuf wrote: post #289

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This is described in their FAQ. Running `xattr -d com.apple.quarantine '/Applications/Zen Browser.app/'` fixes the issue, see https://docs.zen-browser.app/faq#zen-browser-is-damaged-and-...

I'll suggest that bypassing Gatekeeper for an unknwon app from an unknown developer is a bad idea. I'll wait until they implement official code signing from Apple.

It also breaks support for integrating with the 1Password desktop app.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by artificialLimbs »

cxr wrote: post #232
jay_kyburz wrote: post #94

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I never understand the need for tab groups, once you get above 4-5 tabs you are actively working in, whats wrong with bookmarks?

I use Firefox's existing native support for tab groups that it's had since pre-1.0. They're called windows.

Cool until you restart your machine.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by artificialLimbs »

gchamonlive wrote: post #151
widdershins wrote: post #55

Not many straightforwardly positive comments here so far, so I will write one. I'm a Firefox user but I've recently been tempted by Arc primarily because of its 'workspaces' feature and its minimal UI that gets out the way. I used Arc for several weeks and really got a taste for these features, so I'm really happy to see them come to a Gecko-based browser. Thank you, and keep it up! My advice would be: don't advertis…

I might be willing to try it because of these workspaces. How does It differ from Firefox Profile Manager?

With workspaces, I can choose a different workspace (on my Mac) with a right/left swipe of my mouse in the vertical tabs column. It's mind blowingly more productive.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by observationist »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #290
bearjaws wrote: post #250

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Mozilla could keep building FF without Google, but it would require that 90% of the C suite get laid off and dedicated focus from the company...

Good. They've lost market share continuously for fifteen years . In 2009 they had a 30% market share. Now they have a 5-6% market share. 4/5ths of their market share, gone.

2.8% in July '24, Linux has a higher desktop market share than Firefox has browser share.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by [deleted] »

causal wrote: post #235
chown wrote: post #208

I've recently started using Arc mostly out of FOMO and there are parts that I like and parts I don't. I have been a Firefox user for a long time before that so glad to see something similar that's one of the major priorities is the aesthetics and I very much appreciate that. I tried to use it on my macOS Apple Silicone and got an error about it being broken and macOS suggested to trash it. Not sure if it is a bug iss…

+1 on Apple Silicon build being damaged. A lot of users that care about aesthetic are going to be on MBPs and they're all blocked right now.

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Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by hodanli »

remedan wrote: post #193

I really like the UI! I use Firefox with Sidebery and the top tab bar hidden via userChrome.css, which is kind of a hassle. Zen supports that kind of layout out of the box. I'm very happy to see a new modern browser not based on Chromium. Will definitely test drive it to see if it's worth switching to.

i really like the hierarchy in sidebery

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by imchillyb »

ziddoap wrote: post #293
KennyBlanken wrote: post #286

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Or don't waste your time, given Mozilla management does whatever it or Google wants? Just like with Google, nobody works on anything that won't help get them promoted? There are decade-old "everyone agrees this sucks, please fix it" bugs in bugzilla that are ignored because nobody in management or development cares. It's not sexy, can't go on their resume, it won't let them give presentations at conferences, or get t…

76 ideas which were submitted are currently in development and 84 have been delivered. Using your anger/passion to try and sway people to be even less involved doesn't help anyone.

OP stated that there are bugs over a decade old at this point, that still exist due to the concerns mentioned.

You didn’t address his statement nor his concerns.

You avoided that part of the conversation to basically tell him to shut up.

Address the issues first, like Firefox management team should be doing, but aren’t.

I’m with OP. Firefox is a horrible user experience. And it’s that way by design. Couldn’t have Google stop paying Mozilla’s bills now could they?

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by titusjohnson »

eddyg wrote: post #219
nokeya wrote: post #79

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It was used by advanced users. And what advanced users do? Disable telemetry;) So, I suppose the share was a little bigger but not that much.

Or, just don't disable (anonymous) metrics . There's a BIG difference between tracking and metrics , but they are often treated the same, especially by "power users".

There's no difference between tracking and metrics, they're the same thing. You get your metrics out of the data you track. Browser phone home? Tracking.

And there's no way for a user to validate that any tracking is indeed anonymous. The technical level needed to asses this is just... out of reach for everyone (the quantity of people who can properly verify this is small enough we can safely ignore it when speaking generally and use the coloquialism Everyone)

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