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Re: Three month suspension for Python core developer

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> Dismissing unacceptable behavior of others as a “neurodivergent” trait, which is problematic because it creates a stereotype that neurodivergent people are hard to interact with and need special treatment. Why shouldn’t neurodivergent people get special treatment if they have a disorder/issue? Seems like accommodations should be made to promote inclusion.

This isn't what that says. This is saying that when a neurodiverse person breaks decorum (read: is a giant asshole), the correct behavior is to let that person know they are having an impact and give them grace to grow their skills. Saying, "they are allowed to be assholes because they are neurodiverse" does nothing to help the neurodiverse person, and creates a stigma. I'm autistic. I constantly tell myself, "being…

The issue is that the people in charge in the Python community are not "letting [neurodivergent people] know they are having [a negative] impact". At best they are simply shutting down opinions they don't like, regardless of who expresses them. In many cases, though, complaints about those posts are presented more like open invitations to debate, natural responses to which are then treated as further evidence of malfeasance. (The entire situation reminds me very strongly of how James Damore was treated at Google.)

Certainly there is no attempt to justify that talking about whatever issue is inappropriate, and certainly there is no attempt to connect such justification to the Code of Conduct. (Please ctrl-F that Code of Conduct - https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/ - for any mention of "reverse sexism" or "reverse racism", for example. Or try to find the part that explains how typing "XXXX" and giving hints about what specific naughty word it stands for, in the context of relating a story about taking action to block a PyPI package given that name, is verboten.)

With respect, I don't think you actually have to work harder. The onus should be on others to recognize that you genuinely aren't being an asshole just because you, e.g., said something that makes them uncomfortable or challenges their worldview. Certainly they should be expected to recognize that, if you appear to understand emoji differently from how they do, perhaps it would be kinder for them to try to figure out how you're understanding them, rather than objecting to how you use them based on that understanding. But that is not a courtesy that was extended to Mr. Peters (nor to myself), as far as I can see.

Re: Three month suspension for Python core developer

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Can I just say what a genuinely fascinating perspective you have there That pronouns are somehow an exercise of power that must be submitted to, and not just a common courtesy because we're not all sensitive snowflakes And that this is in any way remotely comparable to being tortured and killed for religious beliefs I wonder how you feel about the nearly 1.7% of people born intersex that you meet and definitely work…

>whatever this week's definition of Definitely Binary means

Humans are definitely sexually binary, much like how they are definitely bipedal. Genetic abnormalities prove the rule: humans only produce two types of gametes, sperm (male) and egg cells (female). There are no other types of gametes.

Re: Three month suspension for Python core developer

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Yep. I was banned from the Ruby community on Github for literally nothing misinterpretation without any chance of clarification. That's the sort of standard FOSS short-shrift, rude, humorless, victimhood-point counting, cliquey, infantile elitism that is the norm rather than the exception. Communities who let in the crybullies, dramatic lawyers, and narcissists to run things dissipate into shit. Forgiveness, toleranc…

Communities who let in the crybullies, dramatic lawyers, and narcissists to run things dissipate into shit. Forgiveness, tolerance, chill, and benefit-of-the-doubt are lost arts. I need to print this out and frame it. same can be said for many companies.

Maybe we should print these on T-shirts with a brand like RDH - ReturnDecentHumans.
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