Ah, Netscape Composer, we hardly missed you.
Mozilla Thimble
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Re: Mozilla Thimble
#32It complains about perfectly valid HTML, e.g.: Item Item Why doesn't it know about optional end tags? :(
Even though I also enjoy not closing my li's, I don't think this is an egregious error. The app appears to be focused on helping novices interested in learning HTML. To those just beginning, it's probably most important to enforce the idea of most elements having opening and closing tags.
However, if their target audience is actual developers...well, they've got lots of other problems to deal with as well.
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#33IMO this sort of thing is primitive after seeing easel.io last week. I suppose I would have liked this when I was first learning, if just for the error messages. But I think, like any programming, part of the learning is running/viewing your program and figuring out why the output isn't what you expected. Maybe each error pointing to w3schools for more information would benefit the user.
w3schools is not the place to point. are you a web developer? I haven't seen a legitimate developer, even an amateur, suggest w3schools is anything but crap in the last few years.
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#34This feels like they're a bit confused about which target audience and abstraction layer they're aiming to. This is like trying to get more kids to program by trying to show them how easy and fun assembly language is. Shouldn't your energy be better spent developing, promoting and educating the use of higher level tools? It's hard for me to think of an use case for this. What kind of people, exactly would this help?…
What are you actually suggesting here? What is the "higher abstraction layer" you think people should be learning instead?
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#35The first thing I noticed was that the font of the editor is not monospaced... too bad.
Thx, we'll see if we can find a good monospaced font. Although IMO it's not as important in html as in other languages, for some reason.
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#36Anyone else getting a 500 error? Looks like they are having some server issues at the moment
Yah, we suffered some issues on the cluster which caused temporary failures. Sorry 'bout that!
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#37It complains about perfectly valid HTML, e.g.: Item Item Why doesn't it know about optional end tags? :(
Even though I also enjoy not closing my li's, I don't think this is an egregious error. The app appears to be focused on helping novices interested in learning HTML. To those just beginning, it's probably most important to enforce the idea of most elements having opening and closing tags. However, if their target audience is actual developers...well, they've got lots of other problems to deal with as well.
The target audience is very much _NOT_ real developers. Think of it as "lesson 2", where "lesson 1" is something like x-ray goggles: https://webmaker.org/en-US/tools/x-ray-goggles/ for someone who _knows nothing_ to start with. Your average (not geeky) 12-year old or 70-year old, for example.
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#38am I the only one seeing this? https://thimble.webmaker.org/en-US/editor Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@mozilla.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be availa…
Temporary glitch, sorry 'bout that!
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#39looking for reasons to use this. Other than educational purposes? And where are the pages hosted? This is basically for one off displays of random content?
It's primarily for educational purposes, indeed. The pages are hosted on Mozilla servers.
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#40Looks like javascript is not allowed here. If so - what is the purpose of all this? Does anyone still make pages which have zero javascript? But the html editor is a really nice one :-)
Right -- we'll be adding JS support in a later release. That can be lesson 4 (where 1. is "what's HTML", 2. is "what does HMTL look like", ...)