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Mozilla Thimble

thimble.webmaker.org

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Re: Mozilla Thimble

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Post by debacle »

ChrisLTD wrote: post #10
vibrunazo wrote: post #5

This feels like they're a bit confused about which target audience and abstraction layer they're aiming to. This is like trying to get more kids to program by trying to show them how easy and fun assembly language is. Shouldn't your energy be better spent developing, promoting and educating the use of higher level tools? It's hard for me to think of an use case for this. What kind of people, exactly would this help?…

Plain old HTML is a fundamental building block of the web. It was designed to be, and still succeeds in being, a simple to learn tool to create documents for consumption by web browsers. Sure, it has added complexity over the years, but you don't need to know every tag & attribute or CSS & Javascript to get started and see results immediately.

> and still succeeds in being,

The BOK for HTML5 is larger than what professionals have time for, and is definitely a deeper delve than HTML4.

Re: Mozilla Thimble

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Post by loganlinn »

munchor wrote: post #18

The first thing I noticed was that the font of the editor is not monospaced... too bad.

Look's like its a CSS cascade issue. They're setting '.CodeMirror' to have a monospaced font, but it's getting overridden in (several) other palaces

Re: Mozilla Thimble

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Post by cavilling_elite »

IMO this sort of thing is primitive after seeing easel.io last week.

I suppose I would have liked this when I was first learning, if just for the error messages. But I think, like any programming, part of the learning is running/viewing your program and figuring out why the output isn't what you expected. Maybe each error pointing to w3schools for more information would benefit the user.

Re: Mozilla Thimble

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Post by recycleme »

twog wrote: post #15

Anyone else getting a 500 error? Looks like they are having some server issues at the moment

I received a javascript alert that an error has occurred. I'm using Chrome. I can see the editor but not the template/project I chose.

Re: Mozilla Thimble

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Post by imihai »

am I the only one seeing this? https://thimble.webmaker.org/en-US/editor

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@mozilla.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Re: Mozilla Thimble

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Post by potch »

vibrunazo wrote: post #5

This feels like they're a bit confused about which target audience and abstraction layer they're aiming to. This is like trying to get more kids to program by trying to show them how easy and fun assembly language is. Shouldn't your energy be better spent developing, promoting and educating the use of higher level tools? It's hard for me to think of an use case for this. What kind of people, exactly would this help?…

I wish people who have written HTML for years would play around with this if for no other reason then to learn what all the new semantics of HTML5 are.

Re: Mozilla Thimble

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Post by pathdependent »

imihai wrote: post #27

am I the only one seeing this? https://thimble.webmaker.org/en-US/editor Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@mozilla.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be availa…

I am not getting that message.

Re: Mozilla Thimble

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Post by madiator »

sequoia wrote: post #11

To developers complaining that this is not an IDE they'd actually use: where did you get the idea that this tool is meant to be an IDE for professionals? This is clearly an educational tool, and I think it looks pretty good for that. 0. pick text editor 1. install text editor 2. find some sample html 3. open file in your browser 4. find some resources for learning HTML & CSS (yep, w3schools) 5. learn that validators…

Right, this is a great educational tool, especially because of its instant feedback feature. Isn't it one of the founding features of Light Table? It makes learning/implementing so much more faster. And so even if one knows HTML/CSS, this will be a great tool for making simple web pages.
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