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Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Post by VonGallifrey »

pimeys wrote: post #155
refurb wrote: post #108

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When I worked in Europe I had to give 3 months notice. If I left before that I had to pay the company the equivalent salary . So let’s say I leave after 1 month of giving notice. I now owe the employer 2 months salary.

I've had a month of notice in Germany for the past 13 years so YMMV.

It is 3 months notice for me (also in Germany) for either side to quit the contract. However, there are no real consequences if I would just leave without notice. Other than my employer having a bad opinion of me afterward of course.

Like, I could just stop showing up and they would fire me for cause without notice, but that matters only if I needed unemployment pay. If I already had a new job that I would like to start immediately, I could just do that.

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Post by ajhurliman »

ijk wrote: post #38
seper8 wrote: post #21

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I think you should look at the facts and that is that X is both way more in the media than before - both in a good and a bad way - and the userbase has grown while a significant portion of operational expenses have been cut.

And revenue has dropped through the floor: https://fortune.com/2024/08/15/elon-musk-tesla-stock-sale-tw... https://mashable.com/article/twitter-x-revenue-falls-x-payme...

That first article entirely revolves around some random finance bro’s idle speculation in a YouTube comment. It blows my mind that people are so trusting of obvious guess work given that it’s a privately held company that’s not disclosing their financials.

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Post by leetrout »

lmkg wrote: post #205
withinboredom wrote: post #59

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> accrued vacation where you may be forced to take vacation to not lose it. I don't look at it that way. If you have accrued vacation, you "earned" your vacation and they can't take it away from you without compensation. Thus, you are guaranteed your days off. If they fire you, they should even have to pay you your salary for those vacation days. "Unlimited" vacation just gives all the control to your employer: the r…

> If you have accrued vacation, you "earned" your vacation and they can't take it away from you without compensation... If they fire you, they should even have to pay you your salary for those vacation days. This is the law in California but not most other states. In most states, vacation time is a benefit that can expire, evaporate, or be rescinded. The company is just deciding not to assign you job duties during yo…

Bingo: unlimited vacation is a scam

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Post by ahtihn »

withinboredom wrote: post #43
Fokamul wrote: post #23

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"Unpaid two weeks of matternity leave" are you nuts? Holy sh.. "vacation longer than three weeks requires the company to stop paying your salary" What? Why is it called vacation then, I cannot comprehend this at all, heh. Don't tell them some EU companies even give unlimited PAID vacation, lol. Never experienced this myself, because I usually have "only" 5 weeks paids vacation, but unlimited HO. Of course in practice…

> are you nuts? There's a new law still in committee: https://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsearch.php?billnumbers=4226... > What? Why is it called vacation then Having more than two weeks off in a year is pretty strange. I worked at a place with "unlimited vacation" once, and you weren't allowed to take off more than two weeks at a time until someone took off two weeks every three weeks ... and that ended that policy. Th…

It should be straight up illegal to use the word unlimited in any sort of advertising, marketing materials, job offers etc... if it's not actually unlimited.

Unlimited paid vacation is simply not a thing that is offered by any company anywhere in the world.

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Post by elteto »

tialaramex wrote: post #147
rsynnott wrote: post #68

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> Having more than two weeks off in a year is pretty strange. I mean, not that strange: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_b...

Yeah, I took July off this year and last year. Obviously that needs some up-front notice to ensure there's cover, but I tell my manager in the spring and it's fine. Americans are very, very strange and the fact they think they're normal is part of that.

Americans are not “strange”, whatever that means. The US has overall worse protections than the EU, that’s it. It sucks, we all know that. There’s no need to appeal to some weirdness argument.

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Post by redrove »

maxehmookau wrote: post #115

Good. The richest man in the world doesn't get to be above the law on account of being rich. If you own a company, that comes with responsibility and if you shirk those responsibilities the law will come for you; as it should.

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Post by beaglesss »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #196
Fokamul wrote: post #23

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"Unpaid two weeks of matternity leave" are you nuts? Holy sh.. "vacation longer than three weeks requires the company to stop paying your salary" What? Why is it called vacation then, I cannot comprehend this at all, heh. Don't tell them some EU companies even give unlimited PAID vacation, lol. Never experienced this myself, because I usually have "only" 5 weeks paids vacation, but unlimited HO. Of course in practice…

We really do not care about caregivers - or kids for that matter - in the US. It’s sad. A lot of talk about “family” and how wonderful kids are yet many companies and politicians fight tooth and nail to make sure people don’t spend time with newborns and otherwise don’t have access to childcare. I don’t have to tell parents in this thread about the “July to August gulf” when all the summer camps end and school is a f…

Sure. It's great when people have kids, but the whole scam run by society is to offload most the costs on the parent then tax the shit out the kid once they're raised, effectively creating a massive wealth transfer system away from working families. Much of the societal issues of how they deal with parents traces back to tragedy of the commons IMO since the kids are future tax stock.

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Post by elteto »

yodsanklai wrote: post #204
withinboredom wrote: post #14

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In the US, in most (all?) jurisdictions, your employer doesn't really need to have a reason to fire you. They can fire everyone wearing red shirts, if they wanted to. There are also very few places providing leave (outside of white-collar positions). For example, my wife was given two weeks off from her job after having my son. The state we lived in only required maternity leave to be implemented at companies having…

> I do not miss the US; moving to the EU was the best decision I ever made. I agree. I work for a FAANG and could ask for a transfer, but I'm worried about the risks that come with the US labor law and the lack of paid holiday too. Also the waves of lay off were much harsher in the US. That being said, it's fun to live in a different country (I lived in the US in the past) and there are more opportunities in tech in…

EU lifestyle with a US salary is the perfect combination. I don’t know if you have that, but if you do, keep it! :)

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Post by psychlops »

fsloth wrote: post #4

Would this be legal in any jurisdiction (click-or-be-fired)? I am not familiar with US labour laws, are employees actually at the level of indentured servants considering terms of employment (which I would expect to be a contract between TWO parties)?

Indentured servants are not paid for their labor. Americans are paid.

The contract is between two parties until a new contract is proposed. If a party declines the new terms (by not clicking) then the past contract becomes void.

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Post by ghaff »

Fokamul wrote: post #23
withinboredom wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, in most (all?) jurisdictions, your employer doesn't really need to have a reason to fire you. They can fire everyone wearing red shirts, if they wanted to. There are also very few places providing leave (outside of white-collar positions). For example, my wife was given two weeks off from her job after having my son. The state we lived in only required maternity leave to be implemented at companies having…

"Unpaid two weeks of matternity leave" are you nuts? Holy sh.. "vacation longer than three weeks requires the company to stop paying your salary" What? Why is it called vacation then, I cannot comprehend this at all, heh. Don't tell them some EU companies even give unlimited PAID vacation, lol. Never experienced this myself, because I usually have "only" 5 weeks paids vacation, but unlimited HO. Of course in practice…

>"vacation longer than three weeks requires the company to stop paying your salary"

This is nonsense in general. I've taken month-long vacations and never had to do anything special so long as I had the time and, obviously, told my manager.

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