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Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by adammarples »

rasz wrote: post #138
borski wrote: post #18

This is one of the first really important lessons you learn in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Everyone walks in, day one, and is dumping adrenaline everywhere they look. I mean, the person in front of you is literally engaging you in practicing murder, so I get it. Everyone starts that way. Super tense, super shallow breathing, and everyone wears themselves out in about 30-40 seconds. Of a 6 minute round. Doesn’t matter if you…

>130lb woman who just wipes the floor with him in the dojo. IRL on the street adrenaline matters and fights end in first 5 seconds. You get stabbed or pushed/thrown/kicked in the face before you realize there was a fight about to happen. What good is grappling with an opponent when his friend will just curb stomp you the second you both go to the ground?

Well yes, sport jiu jitsu isn't street fighting. No strikes, slams, small joint manipulation. Soft mats to land on, strictly 1vs1, no weapons, and the list goes on. What use is grappling? It's quite a lot better than nothing in some situations.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by agumonkey »

nicbou wrote: post #126
agumonkey wrote: post #55

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Long ago a cousin challenged the uncle for a swim. Both are acceptable athletes. He started faster, was ahead for 50m or so and then came back cooked. The uncle started 30% slower... but he kept at that rhythm forever until we couldn't see him and came back unphased. Very telling lesson.

I get significantly further as a cyclist when I slow down to a more sustainable pace. It’s crazy how a little extra speed burns a disproportionate amount of energy.

Yeah, but then we get used to non linear laws.

Also I think our bodies like waves. Staying at the same pace sometimes makes me muddy. So I vary the pace a little every no and then.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by agumonkey »

borski wrote: post #59
agumonkey wrote: post #55

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Long ago a cousin challenged the uncle for a swim. Both are acceptable athletes. He started faster, was ahead for 50m or so and then came back cooked. The uncle started 30% slower... but he kept at that rhythm forever until we couldn't see him and came back unphased. Very telling lesson.

This is a really big problem for me in general, actually. I have ADHD, and so my brain is always telling me to go faster, so that I can get the dopamine hit and move on to other things. It has to be extremely intentional for me to remind myself that pace matters. I really envy those who can just do that naturally; my wife is one of those people. Meanwhile, when I forget, I find myself 25 minutes into what was going t…

Same. Only late, when I get cranky I realized I pushed too hard.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by 2-3-7-43-1807 »

lubujackson wrote: post #5

"Pants on fire" startups would do well to learn from this... a whole lot less stress and better results vs. slamming out midnight patches.

Operation Neptune Spear would like to have a word. Pretty much all combat missions of the Seals are slammed out midnight patches.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by abhiyerra »

beau_g wrote: post #85
borski wrote: post #18

This is one of the first really important lessons you learn in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Everyone walks in, day one, and is dumping adrenaline everywhere they look. I mean, the person in front of you is literally engaging you in practicing murder, so I get it. Everyone starts that way. Super tense, super shallow breathing, and everyone wears themselves out in about 30-40 seconds. Of a 6 minute round. Doesn’t matter if you…

Jiu Jitsu practitioners have incredible conditioning from repeating that exact same story of {guy who thought he was tough} being defeated by {unlikely protagonist} in any scenario they can shoehorn it into, with extreme enthusiasm

As that cocky beginner who went in to Jiujitsu and ran out of breath after 30 seconds in a 6 minute roll and had to tap out 15 times in the next 5 and a half minutes against a smaller opponent, it is repeated because it is true. A huge part of beginner training is basically slow down and getting yourself into positions where you can perform the moves.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by bravetraveler »

borski wrote: post #129
abhijat wrote: post #124

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Being relaxed is important in boxing too, if you don't stay loose and relaxed (other than snapping explosively when throwing a punch), it is easy to get fatigued quickly and also harder to slip or roll.

Yeah - I imagine that’s true for a ton of sports, but especially for any combat sport. I mean, even in shooting pistol (I shot sport pistol in college), breathing is the main thing you can control, and the main thing that will screw you.

It's true for standing still. Do it long enough and loose/easy is obviously the way. There's no grand insights here, this thread is insane.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by nicbou »

agumonkey wrote: post #142
nicbou wrote: post #126

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I get significantly further as a cyclist when I slow down to a more sustainable pace. It’s crazy how a little extra speed burns a disproportionate amount of energy.

Yeah, but then we get used to non linear laws. Also I think our bodies like waves. Staying at the same pace sometimes makes me muddy. So I vary the pace a little every no and then.

That's fine. The idea is that the cost of pedaling is not linear. Kind of like cars using a lot more fuel to go slightly faster.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by ceejayoz »

worthless-trash wrote: post #134
ceejayoz wrote: post #109

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Having wrangled toddlers, I'm entirely onboard with the idea that a smaller opponent fighting in unexpected ways can be surprisingly difficult to handle even with a clear weight and strength advantage.

Yeah, but this scenario assumes you want the toddler to live.

Having wrangled toddlers…

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Post by dshoemaker »

borski wrote: post #68
voisin wrote: post #64

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You pull the barbell up from the ground (like a deadlift) while dropping into a squat, and then get it up over your head while standing up. It is much more explosive than either the deadlift or squat separately.

Just watched a video[0] and yeah, why? I’ve dislocated my shoulder far too many times to have any interest whatsoever in this lmao But - it being explosive makes perfect sense, but what does it work that deadlift or squats alone don’t? Or is the point the explosiveness? [0] https://youtu.be/UBc5N_-xdqo

To answer an aspect of your question that other commenters haven't addressed, the snatch works hip and shoulder mobility in a way that deadlifting and squats do not. The barbell is driven by the explosive hip hinge (unhinge?) directly up, so it is a departure from deadlift even if it looks like it would train the same muscles. Training your snatch lift in a non-competitive sense really exposes imbalances the lifter has. Your hesitance is really reasonable though, it's a non-trivial lift so coming into lifting completely new and trying to throw a snatch up isn't a very good idea.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by abhijat »

bravetraveler wrote: post #146
borski wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah - I imagine that’s true for a ton of sports, but especially for any combat sport. I mean, even in shooting pistol (I shot sport pistol in college), breathing is the main thing you can control, and the main thing that will screw you.

It's true for standing still. Do it long enough and loose/easy is obviously the way. There's no grand insights here, this thread is insane.

The point is that staying relaxed in boxing during sparring or working the heavy bag feels counter-intuitive in the beginning. It seems like tensing up the core and arms would help punch harder, but you quickly learn that conserving stamina is more important than hitting as hard as you can (especially when starting) because otherwise you run out of gas pretty quickly.
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