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Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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Apple wanted to advertise you couldn't press the wrong button, which meant they couldn't have more than one button.

You could still press it at the wrong time. ;)

At the wrong time, for the wrong amount of time, in the wrong place... Lots of ways to go wrong, but they can all be hidden in advertising.

Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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It amazes me that something as simple and obvious as cut and paste had to be invented. Even more amazing that we can actually point to the person that did it.

It's a good reminder, that everything had to be invented at some point in time. Even trivial stuff as boiling tea water ...

I'm not sure if invented is the right term in all cases. Discovered may be more appropriate in some.

Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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Back before 2009, early iPhones didn't have cut/copy and paste. Folks had to figure out a good scheme that worked with touch screens.

Which I found flabbergasting at the time, because it had been a standard feature on PDAs ten years prior. I only bought an iPhone once it gained cut&paste support.

Cut and paste is a sort of obvious miss, but in general, I think Smartphones benefitted from not taking for granted the features of PDAs. There was always something deeply niche about the things.

Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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To be fair, people also had to be taught how to point with a mouse. The double-click also wasn't essential, you could perform all actions using the one-click menus. The double-click was introduced as a shortcut. From the Apple Lisa Owner's Guide: 8 Shortcuts The File/Print menu contains all of the commands you need for creating, opening, closing, and storing your documents. Because you use these commands so frequentl…

Pointing with the mouse is discoverable though. If you start moving it - which odds are you will do sometime (even by accident) you will see the pointer moving and eventually figure it out. You are very unlikely to discover the double click by accident.

I think it’s a spectrum. Unless the double-click delay is ultra short, I’m pretty sure you would discover it sooner or later. My point was that you couldn’t expect someone to learn how to use a computer without any training or instructions, so if you need that anyway, you can also include less discoverable features in it.

There is a trade-off between feature sets that are useful if you know them and super discoverable feature sets, in the sense that the reason some feature is more efficient can also make it less discoverable.

Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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There will be a lot of obvious stuff invented in the future that we aren't thinking about now.

Often the obvious stuff was invented decades ago, but some old people in power persistently refuse to implement into major products. Like the ability to copy multiple things without overwriting the previous entry. Who would ever need that?!

Winkey+V on windows, for anyone interested. Can be turned off in settings app.

Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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It amazes me that something as simple and obvious as cut and paste had to be invented. Even more amazing that we can actually point to the person that did it.

The alternative, as used e.g. by the Xerox Star, was select-and-copy/move. The advantage over cut-and-paste is that you don't have invisible fragile state. However, the Star implementation had copy and move modes (select source, COPY, mouse to destination, CLICK) and Tesler hated modes. I don't know why Star didn't use the modeless version (select source, mouse to destination, COPY).

Does anyone actually use cut-and-paste? Copy-paste-delete is the less scary option, right?

There’s a reason copy usually gets the C shortcuts I think.

Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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To be fair, people also had to be taught how to point with a mouse. The double-click also wasn't essential, you could perform all actions using the one-click menus. The double-click was introduced as a shortcut. From the Apple Lisa Owner's Guide: 8 Shortcuts The File/Print menu contains all of the commands you need for creating, opening, closing, and storing your documents. Because you use these commands so frequentl…

Pointing with the mouse is discoverable though. If you start moving it - which odds are you will do sometime (even by accident) you will see the pointer moving and eventually figure it out. You are very unlikely to discover the double click by accident.

"I'd ran of the mouse pad" and pointing at the screen are not the anecdotes.

Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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It amazes me that something as simple and obvious as cut and paste had to be invented. Even more amazing that we can actually point to the person that did it.

Back before 2009, early iPhones didn't have cut/copy and paste. Folks had to figure out a good scheme that worked with touch screens.

Yeah i think this was a UI issue more than a 'we don't think it's a needed feature' issue. Long press with that sticky popup was just something that hadn't come to yet... and certainly forcetouch tech didn't exist yet.
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