Three month suspension for Python core developer

I thought he was just trying to allude to the word slut without actually saying it. They were talking about a package being banned because it was a wordplay on a slur and another package and I guess the name of the package was 'SLUT' and the other package was 'LUT' (pylut?).

> One of the very few split decisions I recall from my Board days would fall under the “CoC” label today. It was about kicking a package off of PyPI, because its docs repeatedly used a word that Dan Akroyd used to apply to Jane Curtin (brilliant comic actors from America’s “Saturday Night Live” TV show, but back in the days when it was genuinely funny :wink:).

> It won’t surprise anyone that I was one of only two who voted to leave the (seemingly dead anyway) package alone. The other has also been active in this thread, but I don’t want to name them lest they get even more death threats than usual :wink:

Also, if this was the statement from Tim Peters that the python statement:

> Using potentially offensive language or slurs, in one case even calling an SNL skit from the 1970s using the same slur “genuinely funny”, which shows a lack of empathy towards other community members.

was referring to. Then it is a misrepresentation of what Tim said. Because Tim didn't say the skit using the slur was "genuinely funny". He said the show was "genuinely funny". However, there are a bunch of removed comments from Tim in the discussion so it could have been referring to a different message.

Not that I agree with it, the argument about “reverse sexism/racism” is that the judgements are based upon the identity group as a whole not as an individual. When taken in aggregate it is deemed that the smaller group is the one discriminated against.

The answer to this is to argue that it’s incorrect to take an overall statistic and apply it to an individual or smaller organisation in that group.

> It's not courtesy if it's non consensual, same way that wealth redistribution isn't charity

I truly don't understand what you are talking about. When I was in primary school, and perhaps in no small part due to some prosopagnosia, I was unable to determine the gender of my peers reliably. This occasionally resulted in violence as I misgendered peers.

Do you live in a part of the world where you can use whatever pronouns you want on people?

If no, what exactly are we disagreeing about?

> standing for

Can you explain what, exactly, it is that you're standing for?

> There's nothing to feel, these people are neither male or female and would indeed deserve a specific pronoun, but pragmatism would make it as logical as making all cars fit for one-armed people

That's why they generally choose one or the other? Occasionally, someone will prefer a "non-standard" pronoun but I have never faced someone that didn't accept "they" (which, by the way, was my coping strategy in my childhood - when in doubt, use "they"! This was in pre-internet era of regional Queensland, Australia, where we barely had dictionaries, let alone knew what a pronoun even was)

You've obviously put a lot of energy and thought into this issue but I'm not exactly sure what the issue /is/

FOSS Codes of Conduct aside from obvious basics like "be polite" and such, is just a way for people who thrive on office-politics style backstabbing to get their way - in the process diverting a project from its technical goals. It's the corporate cancer now imposed upon FOSS.

Contributing to any such project is not worth it anymore. Someone like Tim has devoted decades of his life working for Python.

What modern FOSS projects need is a reverse Code of Conduct, explicitly telling the kind of people who hijack the project discussion and try to play these games to fuck off and that they're not welcome, and that the focus is the tech.

> It's not courtesy if it's non consensual

Good, so you agree that explicitly refusing to call someone what they want to be called is against common courtesy, since you are using a word to refer to a person that they have not consented to be called.

> but pragmatism would make it as logical as making all cars fit for one-armed people

If you could make all cars perfectly suitable for one-armed people for very low effort and without deteriorating the experience for two-armed people, you'd be an asshole not to do it. Just like a person tends to be an asshole if they refuse to call a person what they want to be called.

I generally go by my middle name. I have done so since before it was even my decision to do so, my parents made that decision for me and I have chosen to remain doing so. I have had multiple jobs where middle management and even co-workers would steadfastly refuse to use my middle name, instead trying to call for me by my first name that I have never listened for in my entire life. This continued even after speaking to them about it after them complaining that I didn't hear them call for me because they used the wrong name. That is the same level of assholery.