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Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by caeril »

jandrese wrote: post #7

This is a bit of a surprise given how the prevalence of smoking and drinking in the younger generations is steadily declining. We also have a lot more effort put into reducing emissions from all industries. The idea that kids of the 70's chain smoking in the smog have lower cancer risk than the teetotaling youth of today is just sad. The article touched on it a bit, but apparently obesity is a huge contributing facto…

> This is a bit of a surprise given how the prevalence of smoking and drinking in the younger generations is steadily declining.

Yes, I'm shocked that cancer (17 types) in young people is increasing as niche causes like smoking (lung) and drinking (liver, esophageal) is declining. I wonder what's happening to the #1 cause of cancer (all)?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity-child-17-18/obe...

Oh. Well, there it is.

> apparently obesity is a huge contributing factor

"Apparently". Ding ding ding.

If you're fat post-adolescence, put down the fork.

If you're fat because your parents/caregivers let you get that way and it's difficult to change, you're unarguably the victim of child abuse and you should cut those monsters out of your life and seek help to change the habits they instilled in you. It will be difficult, but it's possible. Look into GLP-1 agonists for a kickstart.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by zo1 »

hosh wrote: post #72
zo1 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. We simply have been functioning off the premise that what we do has no impact. But we are in the billions now and most of what we do we do at a huge and unimaginable scale. Nature could, before, take time to heal and "absorb" everything we threw it's way. Time was the ultimate healer. We no longer have that option and we simply must stop the third world from progressing. If you all thought it was bad with the…

What’s the cancer rate for young people in third world countries? How much of the quality of life in first world countries depend on third world countries?

All the more reason why we should be uplifting the third world. Instead of allowing them to proliferate their own suffering using debt and population booms.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by dogbait »

xeromal wrote: post #121
carbine wrote: post #119

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Perhaps true but medieval life expectancy was not particularly great.

I think it was pretty decent once you made it past childhood. I want to say it was around the mid 60s

Life expectancy in medieval Engalnd was early 30s in the cities (accounting for infant mortality).

Source: https://sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2022/08/conversation-old-age-is-n....

Once a person hit adulthood it was low 50s and if memory serves early 60s if you were wealthy.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by Log_out_ »

lambdaba wrote: post #89
Log_out_ wrote: post #15

Stress knocks out your imune system.

bingo - stress is the trigger, what loads the gun is - high calorie malnutrition + pollutants/mutagens

But the immune system is the quarterback, the last line of defense against celks regressing to wild meat coralreef.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

self_awareness wrote: post #139
nielsbot wrote: post #36

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Not being snarky, but that would be a crazy headline: "Social media causes cancer".

> Not being snarky, but that would be a crazy headline: "Social media causes cancer". HN is social media, so reading "HN causes cancer" wouldn't be bad either.

"HN is social media, ..."

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2647377

"4) Social media services facilitate the development of social networks online by connecting a profile with those of other individuals and/or groups."

Where are the HN "groups". How does an HN user "connect a profile with those of other invidiuals and/or groups."

"Social media" generally requires users to "log in" and create profiles in order to view the website contents.

By contrast, any web user can read HN without creating a profile and without logging in.

The majority of HN content is not user-generated, e.g., photos and videos created by HN users, it is content from other websites, e.g., news organisations, shared via URL.

Most HN users do not comment or submit. No user-generated content.

Even in the case of "Show HN", the content is almost always hosted by some other website.

"Social media" today is websites with pages that contain advertising purchased by third parties. Where is this advertising on HN.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

paulnpace wrote: post #147
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #141

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> nearly every dirty trick a corporation can do has been done to protect the producers of glyphosate Glyphosate is perfectly safe, we just don’t have a scientifically literate population. The nasty stuff in Roundup are the surfactants.

Something that has become clear to me over the years is that when we go one by one through all of the things that were not present in my youth, it is impossible that any of these things could be a cause of anything bad because the scientifically literate people tell me so. Yet, here we are, with each generation following the Baby Boomers seeing higher mortality (and many other negative medical condition) rates than t…

> it's just something else that we can't detect

What? We’re fat, stressed, eating terribly and not able to afford our doctors enough.

FTFA: “Nearly half of newly diagnosed cancers in the U.S.—42 percent, according to ACS researchers—are avoidable with a combination of prevention measures, such as eating a healthy diet and maintaining a healthy body weight.”

It’s unfortunately more acceptable to let a family member ramble in the corner about glyphosphate than to tell them to get on a treadmill and/or take Ozempic. (Which may be the right answer. Perhaps the damage, physically and educationally, is already done. I don’t know.)

> with each generation following the Baby Boomers seeing higher mortality

Not true among the educated [1]. (An effect that persists even after adjusting for income.)

The entire decline you cite is among people who don’t have a college degree.

[1] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/03/17/educated...

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by thefounder »

lambdaba wrote: post #105
thefounder wrote: post #9

Ultra-processed foods is the new tabacco or even worse. I wonder how long until we start to see the warnings on each package like on cigarettes.

Most are probably unaware of it, but so far the only presidential candidate that puts health as a core campaign issue is RFK, whatever you might think of him https://www.kennedy24.com/end-chronic-disease .

Yeah but unless he does something very stupid(which is hard considering there is Trump) he has no chance/traction.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by paulnpace »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #156
paulnpace wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something that has become clear to me over the years is that when we go one by one through all of the things that were not present in my youth, it is impossible that any of these things could be a cause of anything bad because the scientifically literate people tell me so. Yet, here we are, with each generation following the Baby Boomers seeing higher mortality (and many other negative medical condition) rates than t…

> it's just something else that we can't detect What? We’re fat, stressed, eating terribly and not able to afford our doctors enough. FTFA: “Nearly half of newly diagnosed cancers in the U.S.—42 percent, according to ACS researchers—are avoidable with a combination of prevention measures, such as eating a healthy diet and maintaining a healthy body weight.” It’s unfortunately more acceptable to let a family member ra…

Your comment is written to basically say the lower classes are stupid and fat and they get what they deserve.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by jakesgates »

jlcx wrote: post #74
cancerboi wrote: post #34

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30 y/o male with stage 3c testicular cancer. Diagnosis at age 29. I have a very rare type of cancer and this particular type of cancer has increased in numbers for young men.

3c here as well. The doctors were surprised that it had spread to my bones, and it didn’t show up on the CT scans that they were using for surveillance.

What made you get it checked out initially?

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by self_awareness »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #155
self_awareness wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not being snarky, but that would be a crazy headline: "Social media causes cancer". HN is social media, so reading "HN causes cancer" wouldn't be bad either.

"HN is social media, ..." https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2647377 "4) Social media services facilitate the development of social networks online by connecting a profile with those of other individuals and/or groups." Where are the HN "groups". How does an HN user "connect a profile with those of other invidiuals and/or groups." "Social media" generally requires users to "log in" and create profile…

Please read the paper you've linked, because it's able to do much better job at telling you that HN is in fact social media than I ever could.
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