You know, putting the merits of the Draft RFC aside, at least this was submitted as an RFC and they didn't just go ahead and unilaterally do this. This way, the RFC can be properly ignored. Or, on the other hand, when China completely disappears from the Internet and starts using its own DNS root system, we'll at least know what they are doing.
Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
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Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#42You know, putting the merits of the Draft RFC aside, at least this was submitted as an RFC and they didn't just go ahead and unilaterally do this. This way, the RFC can be properly ignored. Or, on the other hand, when China completely disappears from the Internet and starts using its own DNS root system, we'll at least know what they are doing.
Keep in mind this was proposed by someone at a business school and two people who work at phone companies, not by government officials.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#43the Chinese can take their proposal and stick it where the sun doesn't shine as far as I'm concerned. buy this is hardly surprising, since just as crazy ideas came from less abject governments (acta, usa) of which I had higher expectations. :(
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#44The world is divided into two parts: China and Out of China. In WWDC'12, Apple introduced many features for chinese in the same reason.
Is that distinction into two parts, how you are seeing the world, or are you quoting the Chinese government? If it's your view, can you please elaborate, why you see this as the way to spli up the world, rather than let's say "the world is split up into EMEA, Americas and Asia, to give another arbitrary split.
As to the features Apple announced: There are multiple parts that play into this: First the completely different character set, which requires it's own input system and secondly that the Chinese government try's to cut foreign Internet services off and encourages local solutions it can control/manipulate. Those two issues require to address this market separately. Similar things, however might be true for other markets as well (maybe for different root causes) like let's say in Japan or North Korea. However, these markets aren't big enough to warrant effort on this scale. So I see this as a bad indicator to substantiate separating the world this way. If there was higher monetary value for Apple in this, weight see theworldseparated into Butan andtherest, with the same argument.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#45"Internet autonomy" = we want to have our own intranet so we can cut off the rest of the world from our population without causing technical trouble. "Unilateral action" = we're gonna do this whether you like it or not. But you know what, the Chinese already have the means to do this. Just block anything that doesn't end in ".cn", and block port 53 on all foreign DNS servers. Then what's the point of this internet dr…
Just trying to be fair-minded here.
We probably should have foreseen this and fixed our system earlier. I remember being at Interop back before it was cool, think industry at Gopher not Mosaic (more 'People Sometimes Need Data Processing', and not so much of the 'All'). Anyway, even then I was flabbergasted at the way networking was being implemented. The truth is, there ARE really good reasons to have a multiple DNS roots. We probably SHOULD have thought about languages with non latin alphabets. It is also true that we SHOULD have considered allocating more internet addresses to China than we allocated to, say, Stanford University. And, yes, the list goes on and on.
Having mentioned all that, I am inclined to try to fix the internet we currently use. And, to be fair, even the Chinese will concede that we have been TRYING to do just that. These things take time though. No one, (and by no one I mean Governments), really has the motivation to be very proactive in the attempts to fix a lot of these issues. This is just one manifestation of the diverging interests.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#46You know, putting the merits of the Draft RFC aside, at least this was submitted as an RFC and they didn't just go ahead and unilaterally do this. This way, the RFC can be properly ignored. Or, on the other hand, when China completely disappears from the Internet and starts using its own DNS root system, we'll at least know what they are doing.
Keep in mind this was proposed by someone at a business school and two people who work at phone companies, not by government officials.
'though they are all government employees, indirectly.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#47I can barely read it... the spelling and grammar are terrible. This can NOT be a real effort... can it?
It is just a proposal by the authors, and not an IETF working group (WG) draft. This can be identified by the name as draft-authorname-* and not draft-ietf-*. Anyone can write an author draft and AFAICS this is not even aimed at a specific working group (it should have been sent to [DNSEXT] and does not appear there or any other DNS-related WG.)
[DNSEXT]: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#48Setting aside the motivations for this draft, the idea of removing the one single DNS 'root' is a reasonable one. It acts as a single point of failure for the DNS system and puts the entire DNS hierarchy under the jurisdiction of the United States Department of Commerce. There are already existing alternative roots[1], but no interoperability between them and no standards governing them. Indeed, the IETF is strongly…
If every AIP must have a single unique designation, there must be an organization handing them out.
I've got an idea; let's use two-letter ISO country codes...
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#49I see a lot of people complaining about the quality of English in the draft. This makes me wonder about something: Is it legal to discriminate in hiring based on English skills? It seems like it would necessarily have a disparate impact based on national origin, which I believe is a protected class. But to forbid hiring on the basis of English skills would seem very strange in an English-speaking company, where Engli…
In China? Completely legal. Basic English is worth an extra $200 per month at least.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#50"Internet autonomy" = we want to have our own intranet so we can cut off the rest of the world from our population without causing technical trouble. "Unilateral action" = we're gonna do this whether you like it or not. But you know what, the Chinese already have the means to do this. Just block anything that doesn't end in ".cn", and block port 53 on all foreign DNS servers. Then what's the point of this internet dr…
Just trying to be fair-minded here. We probably should have foreseen this and fixed our system earlier. I remember being at Interop back before it was cool, think industry at Gopher not Mosaic (more 'People Sometimes Need Data Processing', and not so much of the 'All'). Anyway, even then I was flabbergasted at the way networking was being implemented. The truth is, there ARE really good reasons to have a multiple DNS…
> we SHOULD have considered allocating more internet addresses to China than we allocated to, say, Stanford University.
That might actually have been a good justification for China being in control of its own addressing scheme (which the draft proposes) if we didn't have IPv6. But now there is no need, since the cost of implementing a nationwide NAT (sort of) might rival, if not exceed, the cost of transitioning to IPv6.