The world is divided into two parts: China and Out of China.
In WWDC'12, Apple introduced many features for chinese in the same reason.
Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
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Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#32Perhaps we are all wrong, the authors just want the world to know what the Chinese gov is doing with DNS poisoning and what will be ended up with if we cannot stop it.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is it offensive? How is it incoherent?
It seems to be based more in politics and fear, than any rational thought. The politics alone would disqualify it.
Sure the motivation is may be imposed by politics, but if it were your job to implement such network segmentation then this is a reasonably rational way to go about it.
It is, of course, contrary to the fundamental principle of the internet.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#34It's not an RFC, it's an Internet Draft (which anyone can submit without review), and anyway it's offensive and incoherent enough that nobody will take it seriously, and it certainly won't make it as an actual RFC.
Why is it offensive? How is it incoherent?
I can't speak to the offensive end, but it is an RFC draft proposal, and the author seems to be missing a lot of in/definite articles in his writing. It does make parts of it less coherent.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#35>Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
See how it's ALWAYS about politics and never about technology?
I say that for hackers that believe that political action doesn't matter, and that technology will just liberate us every time, because we can always "find workarounds for closed systems, surveillance technologies, DRM" etc...
Will it do much good for you to be able to use some obscure technical workaround, when 99% of your country's population cannot or fears to get to the outside "internet", including all your friends and relatives?
Not to mention, that would only work for your private computer use. I mean, let's say (a contrived example) your country forbids standard SMTP. OK, you can still use it over SSL, over a proxy, etc. But would you be able to use the same workarounds also in your business? Would you be able to give your employees the same ability? What if one of them rats you out to the police?
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is it offensive? How is it incoherent?
Proposals to fragment the Internet generally do not go down well, for obvious reasons. The proposal is needlessly complicated, notwithstanding the poor quality of writing. The authors' rationale is to "realize autonomy", yet AIP suffixes are globally namespaced and still need IANA assignment, which is really no different to the current situation in relation to TLDs. It breaks backwards compatibility when applications…
>Proposals to fragment the Internet generally do not go down well, for obvious reasons.
Maybe with tech guys. They certainly go very down very well with politicians and corporations.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#37I see a lot of people complaining about the quality of English in the draft. This makes me wonder about something:
Is it legal to discriminate in hiring based on English skills? It seems like it would necessarily have a disparate impact based on national origin, which I believe is a protected class. But to forbid hiring on the basis of English skills would seem very strange in an English-speaking company, where English is critical to communication.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#38I wonder if this is just because they would like as much control over their population as possible and they want their own Internet, as they would like their own "Twitter", and own "Facebook" and so on, out of a strong sense of nationalism, or because they are worried that US wants more and more control of the Internet, and could be why they are also support getting the Internet under UN's control (among other things…
>I wonder if this is just because they would like as much control over their population as possible and they want their own Internet, as they would like their own "Twitter", and own "Facebook" and so on, out of a strong sense of nationalism,
Nationalism, or merely, wanting control over your own country, is also at play, here.
Americans think every other country should be OK with them having control over the internet, what with ICANN, Google, Twitter, Facebook et al. Proposals such as SOPA, PIPA, etc, or the MegaUpload arrests, make it more evident why this is not the case.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#39I see a lot of people complaining about the quality of English in the draft. This makes me wonder about something: Is it legal to discriminate in hiring based on English skills? It seems like it would necessarily have a disparate impact based on national origin, which I believe is a protected class. But to forbid hiring on the basis of English skills would seem very strange in an English-speaking company, where Engli…
Well, speaking/writing/understanding a language is a skill (that some people have and others need to learn) so I don't see why that would be different from knowing a programming language or algorithms.
Re: Chinese RFC proposes separate, independent, national internets and DNS roots
#40You know, putting the merits of the Draft RFC aside, at least this was submitted as an RFC and they didn't just go ahead and unilaterally do this. This way, the RFC can be properly ignored. Or, on the other hand, when China completely disappears from the Internet and starts using its own DNS root system, we'll at least know what they are doing.