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Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by ncr100 »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #87
bkraz wrote: post #80

As a longtime YouTube creator who uses Patreon for financial support, the news is terrible: Patreon informed me that all creators must switch to a monthly subscription schedule instead of the per-creation schedule that I and many other currently use. The whole point of per-creation is that it allows me to take time off, and only charge people when I release something, thus incentivizing me, and being fair to my suppo…

If you're able, my artist friend has had a lot of success running their own site and doing their own payments through PayPal.

Am I misunderstanding, that PayPal can workaround Apple's payment rules which Patreon is complying with?

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by ncr100 »

xmprt wrote: post #119
balozi wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patreon also stands to gain from this change. Come think of it, the new arrangement is a win for everyone involved - except the actual patrons ofcourse.

Not really. There are a lot of creators I watch who only make content once a year. Sometimes they'll have 2 videos a year if they're lucky. With the per creation model, I have no problems supporting them but if it's billed monthly then the price becomes a lot steeper. Alternatively they could reduce the cost to support them but then the fees becomes much higher for both the creator and patreon (29c + 5% IIRC).

Agreed - the market will respond to these higher costs in a predictable manner. A smaller market.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by NekkoDroid »

bilbo0s wrote: post #113
NekkoDroid wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US will let corproations do whatever they want until they are 1990s Microsoft-level dominant. *The US will let corporations do whatever they want while they are giving "gifts" and "gratuities" to the relevant judges.

while they are giving "gifts" and "gratuities" to the relevant judges There is a lot of corruption in the US. So yes, at times, they will allow that too. But in this case, the commenter was correct. We can't be going into courts of law making poop up. Going into a court of law and saying that a company with 27% market share in phones and 13% market share in PCs is a "monopoly" is almost on the level of being insultin…

> Going into a court of law and saying that a company with 27% market share in phones and 13% market share in PCs is a "monopoly"

Usually courts don't care about their global market share but their local market share, which IIRC in the US for mobile was somewhere in the 60%. Whether that is enought to make a monopoly claim is debatable, but I assume it is enough to argue abuse of dominant market position.

Regarding your laws paragraph, I do agree that "free market" doesn't really work at the level that the US currently is. There are a lot of problems I have with how the market in the US is regulated (or rather lack thereof), but I don't live there but in the EU, which I honestly am glad of.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by danShumway »

cesarb wrote: post #121
bkraz wrote: post #80

As a longtime YouTube creator who uses Patreon for financial support, the news is terrible: Patreon informed me that all creators must switch to a monthly subscription schedule instead of the per-creation schedule that I and many other currently use. The whole point of per-creation is that it allows me to take time off, and only charge people when I release something, thus incentivizing me, and being fair to my suppo…

I've seen some creators on Patreon "pause" their monthly subscription when they have nothing to release on a given month, so that patrons won't be billed for that month. That could be a workaround for your use case.

Do we know whether or not iOS's subscription model supports pausing?

I guess I assume Patreon would mention if it didn't.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by bix6 »

bilbo0s wrote: post #113
NekkoDroid wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US will let corproations do whatever they want until they are 1990s Microsoft-level dominant. *The US will let corporations do whatever they want while they are giving "gifts" and "gratuities" to the relevant judges.

while they are giving "gifts" and "gratuities" to the relevant judges There is a lot of corruption in the US. So yes, at times, they will allow that too. But in this case, the commenter was correct. We can't be going into courts of law making poop up. Going into a court of law and saying that a company with 27% market share in phones and 13% market share in PCs is a "monopoly" is almost on the level of being insultin…

How is that insulting to the judge? If you have 27% you could be the single biggest player in a given market and exercise monopoly-like control. Especially considering all the colluding occurring.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by borski »

Jeff_Brown wrote: post #124
balozi wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patreon also stands to gain from this change. Come think of it, the new arrangement is a win for everyone involved - except the actual patrons ofcourse.

How can they gain after losing 30% to Apple?

Relative to not having predictable monthly recurring revenue.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by coldcache »

bilbo0s wrote: post #113
NekkoDroid wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US will let corproations do whatever they want until they are 1990s Microsoft-level dominant. *The US will let corporations do whatever they want while they are giving "gifts" and "gratuities" to the relevant judges.

while they are giving "gifts" and "gratuities" to the relevant judges There is a lot of corruption in the US. So yes, at times, they will allow that too. But in this case, the commenter was correct. We can't be going into courts of law making poop up. Going into a court of law and saying that a company with 27% market share in phones and 13% market share in PCs is a "monopoly" is almost on the level of being insultin…

The Brown Shoe Company merger in the 1960s was shot down, even though it would only control around 7% of the nation’s shoe supply.

It’s important to not just consider the quantitative impact of the monopolist (percent of market share) but also the qualitative components (is it vertically integrated? is it hurting consumers?).

I’m not sure whether or not Apple is a monopolist, but I certainly think there are some arguments.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #42
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I can't understand why people think that inviting new middlemen into their transactions is acceptable. It's time to stop prostrating ourselves to these companies.

> can't understand why people think that inviting new middlemen into their transactions is acceptable Same reason people use credit cards or Gmail or hell Patreon. It reduces the number of counterparties you have to deal with and trust.

That attitude made sense when Google was trustworthy, I guess.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by jasonjayr »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #100
jasonjayr wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Patreon's case, I don't think the user found the content "through Apple". The customer found the creator, and the creator said "Pay me through Patreon". The user, only having an iOS based device is now trapped by Apple's restrictions on the transaction, which brings dubious benifits to the table.

Am I not allowed to visit the Patreon website from my iOS device?

As long as Apple provides a standards-compliant web browser, of course you are.
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