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I’ve just read the swift build guide and there’s no sign of a closed-source version of LLVM. What are you talking about?
peppermint_gum didn't mention a closed-source version of LLVM either. "Private" just means "their own" here.
"Fork" is actually the word that means "their own". The "private" does indeed mean "proprietary" in this context.
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This is such a weird thread, sure it's a nit but grammatically a person of unknown sex should be either "he or she" or "they." And the latter is by far the preferred form by English writers regardless of political affiliation. It didn't become a political thing until Andreas made it political. It would have taken two seconds to be like "+1 Good catch man, merged."
It could be an age thing. When I was taught grammar 40 plus years ago, for someone of indeterminate sex, “he” was taught as always appropriate, “he or she” was a somewhat clunky alternative that was situationally appropriate where you were stressing the gender neutrality, and “they” was just simply bad grammar which would get you bad marks. I’m honestly not sure when that changed.
And tbh using gender in pronouns is artificially annoying, and it's good to see English has a way out of it, like it got rid of giving genders to common objects like most European languages (“Non, it's La chaise, chair is feminine in French” -_-').
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"They" as a gender neutral singular pronoun has never been bad grammar, and has been accepted in common use for many hundreds of years.
A fun fact I learned just recently is that even Shakespeare used singular "they": http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002748.h... (and even singular "themselves" !) which puts to rest approximately every argument I've ever seen against it.
I totally get using Swift in this context considering their heavy emphasis on C++. From my personal experience, Swift still feels like the early days of Open source .NET/Mono. You will definitely experience the growing pains of being an early adopter of the language. The fact that JetBrains killed AppCode in Dec of 2022 7 years after Swift went Open Source is telling to me that getting the traction outside of the App…
C# has a uphill battle against those that don't believe in systems programming languages with GC, despite several graphical workstations have been done in the past in such languages. Unfortunately freebie UNIX, and security was yet decades away to be relevant to governmental regulators, thus they never managed to gain enough mindshare to keep going. Additionally even with all the .NET team efforts, the technology rem…
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It could be an age thing. When I was taught grammar 40 plus years ago, for someone of indeterminate sex, “he” was taught as always appropriate, “he or she” was a somewhat clunky alternative that was situationally appropriate where you were stressing the gender neutrality, and “they” was just simply bad grammar which would get you bad marks. I’m honestly not sure when that changed.
"They" as a gender neutral singular pronoun has never been bad grammar, and has been accepted in common use for many hundreds of years.
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It doesn't matter if only a portion is toxic, because that portion can easily poison the well all on their own for everybody.
It does matter because there is a portion that is toxic in about any sizeable community, so following that logic all wells would be easily poisoned
Also, they’re not doing a massive rewrite:
> The Swift team is also investing heavily in C++ interop, which means there's a real path to incremental adoption, not just gigantic rewrites.
To me, the Tweet does a good job justifying the decision. I’m rooting for Ladybird, and I hope this decision pays off. A modern browser in a modern language sounds like a dream come true.
============================== Andreas Kling @awesomekling · 44m My general thoughts on Rust: - Excellent for short-lived programs that transform input A to output B - Clunky for long-lived programs that maintain large complex object graphs - Really impressive ecosystem - Toxic community ==============================
As someone that likes Rust, but is decades away from the days I identified myself with any specific language, the Rust Evangelism Strike Force are the ones that spoil the party. That is exactly the way to put off people, that initially could even be welcoming to hear about what the language is all about.
I realize this is not what people generally are referring to when they complain about the Rust community, but this is the part that annoys me.
Feels like every damn day I see people preaching the Good News of Rust, pointing to things as being the unique and sole property of their preferred language. Except those things have been around for ages, in other languages.
Memory safety? Invented by Rust! Algebraic Data Types? Invented by Rust! Funadamental FP constructs? Invented by Rust! High performance? Invented by Rust!
If instead they just said that they enjoy having all of these things in a single language, well great. But instead it has to turn into a preach fest.