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Re: More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Switzerland

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Post by Log_out_ »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #94
TMWNN wrote: post #82

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>Heaving lived and worked in Germany for a few years, I realized that's the reason behind all the excessive bureaucracy and processes for everything: extensive ass covering. If something goes to shit under your watch then it's not your fault because you did everything by the book and you have the extensive paper trail to prove it. I've heard it said that the idea that Germans are efficient is a myth. (The new Berlin…

>Germans are, rather, rule followers . Which is very good when the rules are sane and up to date, and very bad when otherwise.

There are whole regions of the world where nobody follows any law,besides the absolute minimum for society to exist.no institutions, no state, no laws, no companys..it all merges into "family" which is a little bit of everything. Not ideal, not very german.

Re: More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Switzerland

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Post by trueismywork »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #261
trueismywork wrote: post #204

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The language is a big problem. They can get quality immigrants, but convincing those quality immigrants to learn German is a big task. A lot of people would rather go to US with all it's uncertainty than stay in Germany due to these issues.

The language isn't the biggest problem. Once you learn the language your problems don't stop. The big problem is most companies in Germany still prefer to exclusively hire locals who went through the German education system and have degrees from established local educational institutions, instead of recognizing foreigners' digress from abroad at similar levels to that of locals. It's a white collar form of discrimina…

Fair enough..

Re: More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Switzerland

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Post by misja111 »

tkubacki wrote: post #253
misja111 wrote: post #107

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Why in Heaven's name should Switzerland be (heavily!?) taxed to solve EU transportation issues? Should Switzerland then tax the EU as well to pay for its own transportation? Until today I believed that the world had solved these problems by charging transportation fees but you seem to have very different ideas. > Basically they have all EU rights and no obligations. Switzerland certainly doesn't have all EU rights. F…

I do consider Switzerland doings as hostile to EU. 1) Switzerland gain on using EU transportation and free market but does not contribute fair fee to maintain and build it. You can tax EU - we will see who will survive. 2) Switzerland does unfair tax competition 3) Switzerland helped hide EU citizens untaxed money (maybe still does) 4) Switzerland helps Russian oligarchs maintain their wealth and many other criminals…

1) EU gains on CH transportation just as well.

2) unfair in what way? Swiss taxes are lower than most EU countries, that's true. But not all: Income tax in e.g. Bulgaria is lower, company taxes are lower in Ireland. But even if it were the lowest, why is that unfair? Can't voters decide by themselves how much taxes they want to pay?

3) 15 years ago, yes. But then Switzerland had to give up banking secrecy, at least for EU and USA citizens.

4) This is your only point that is true

5) Switzerland, by its constitution, is neutral and can also not give military support to countries that are at war. The last part was not always like that, during WO2 neutral CH was still selling lots of weapons to Germany and making a fortune with that. After the war allied forces made CH pay recovery payments for that, so CH decided to amend their law to forbid selling weapons to countries at war. They stick to that law but do care about Ukraine, so they found a workaround: they sell weapons to e.g. Germany, who then can replace their own weapons and send them to Ukraine.

Re: More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Switzerland

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Post by ivan_gammel »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #278
ivan_gammel wrote: post #273

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So, non-solutions, as I said. You refer to a state that is 10 times smaller, has the same demographic problems and over 40% of population with immigration background as a model for Germany, why? Do you seriously believe it can scale to German size? What has it to do with the budget?

I proposed the Swiss system as the solution and welfare reductions according to the budget and you're calling it non-solutions. Why are you being dismissive in Bad faith without any arguments? The German welfare state will slowly collapse by itself on the long term anyway at this rate since the expenses are growing faster than the income and the only way to save it is to reduce it. Why isn't that a solution? Are you…

> Why isn't that a solution? Are you saying aritmetic is wrong?

I’m saying that you just proposed random idea that has nothing to do with solving the workforce crisis. Reducing welfare state will not increase birth rate, if anything it will decrease it. Lower taxes will not lead to bigger families, with scarce housing the additional income will be simply redistributed to landlords thus increasing inequality. You propose to treat symptoms, but this treatment will only accelerate death.

Re: More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Switzerland

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Post by Rinzler89 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #285
Rinzler89 wrote: post #278

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I proposed the Swiss system as the solution and welfare reductions according to the budget and you're calling it non-solutions. Why are you being dismissive in Bad faith without any arguments? The German welfare state will slowly collapse by itself on the long term anyway at this rate since the expenses are growing faster than the income and the only way to save it is to reduce it. Why isn't that a solution? Are you…

> Why isn't that a solution? Are you saying aritmetic is wrong? I’m saying that you just proposed random idea that has nothing to do with solving the workforce crisis. Reducing welfare state will not increase birth rate, if anything it will decrease it. Lower taxes will not lead to bigger families, with scarce housing the additional income will be simply redistributed to landlords thus increasing inequality. You prop…

1) The Swiss way is not random WTF are you on about. It's based on people receiving welfare based on individual contributions, not based on social need, out of bottomless money pit which is anything but bottomless. You can't grow your economy if you use a third of the national budget on welfare instead of stuff like R&D to boost the economy.

2) There's no workforce crisis, it's just a shit pay and too high CoL crisis. Skilled workforce will always come if you pay for it enough to make it worth their effort. See Switzerland and the USA. Germany doesn't want to. They want workers to work for peanuts, pay high taxes and to tolerate crazy housing. Skilled people with options aren't into that.

3) Why are you so focused on birthrates? Uneducated people having more kids randomly as economic cannon fodder will not boost the economy since they might cost more in welfare than they produces as adults. You need to get skilled people any way you can not just throwing random bodies at the problem hoping that fixes the economy.

4) If you insist on being focused on birthrates, then see how countries with the lowest or no welfare have the higher birthrates, and countries with the best welfare have the fewest. Food for thought.

Re: More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Switzerland

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Post by Rinzler89 »

virtualritz wrote: post #110
Zak wrote: post #84

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It seems to me the underlying issue is that mistakes are punished and taking initiative to solve problems is not rewarded.

> It seems to me the underlying issue is that mistakes are punished and taking initiative to solve problems is not rewarded This. Context: born and grew up in Germany. Worked abroad for many years. Now living in Berlin, would still never work for an established German company for that reason. Startups are usually better; until they're not startups any more. Asking first "wer ist schuld?" ("whose fault was this?") is…

>Now living in Berlin, would still never work for an established German company for that reason.

What's wrong with traditional German companies besides burocracy? I see many have happy lives there with very good WLB and great job safety, contrary to start-ups.

>Startups are usually better; until they're not startups any more.

True, but also start-ups are better when you're part of the early founding crew who know each other, and get some sizeable equity for the effort. Otherwise, if you're one of the later joiners outside of the founder inner circle, you get nothing in rewards but get all the pressure and stress of working at a start-up. I'd much rather be at a traditional German company than a start-up like that, especially now that I'm past my prime youth years.

Re: More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Switzerland

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Post by pxeger1 »

alephnerd wrote: post #271
pxeger1 wrote: post #268

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It’s hardly consolidated compared to Germany??

The Japanese economy is significantly more consolidated than Germany's. Vertical and Horizontal Integration (like what the 3 groups above do) is heavily regulated and litigated against in the EU [0][1], especially under Vestager. Japan on the other hand doesn't actually regulate against either forms of market dominance. All three of those groups (called zaibatsu/keiretsu) have had market dominance in Japan since the…

Ah you meant the entire economy, not just the railways

Re: More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Switzerland

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Post by Rinzler89 »

j-wags wrote: post #206
systemtest wrote: post #135

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Does the US not have an extensive network of Greyhound busses, similar to our FlixBus system? Or is that just something I saw in the movies? (I'm not American)

We do have a pretty extensive greyhound network in the US (it was recently bought by flixbus, but I think they're keeping the greyhound branding). But it is a totally different experience than long-distance buses in Europe. I've taken a number of flixbuses in Europe and they were decent. Most cities had some sort of bus terminal where you could sit and grab food before the trip, the bus was clean, the advertised powe…

> bathroom stops are disgusting, and there is a lack of order/safety on board

Sounds more like an "America problem" than a Flixbus problem.

Re: More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Switzerland

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Post by marcyb5st »

persnickety wrote: post #213
marcyb5st wrote: post #80

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Honestly it's a very low bar and Germans should aspire for better and not for a meager "we are not the worst there is". I would say you need to compare DB to other Western European railway operator/networks. In my personal experience, DB comes dead last and it's not even close to the 2nd to last. Renfe (Spain), Trenitalia/Italo (Italy), SNCF (France) have much better services, at least on the long-distance routes (>…

Italy's geography is not universally worse. The mostly linear shape limits the number of required connections between stations: you only need a couple 1000km long distance lines to connect everything on the north-south axis, whereas in Germany they must go 500km+ in every direction for full coverage.

Yes and no. If you need to go from cities east to cities on the west you need to tunnel a lot and those choke points also make maintenance more tricky because you can't really re-route trains elsewhere without adding hours to the trip. Germany, as you said, it's mostly open ground and so you can go in any direction. Rerouting trains in this setting using viable alternatives for effective maintenance should be easier.

And those longer trips wouldn't even count as delays since they were hopefully announced weeks ahead of schedule and so passengers know it will take longer to get to their destination.

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