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Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by slaymaker1907 »

Izkata wrote: post #218
rimunroe wrote: post #182

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> You must not had ADD :-). I currently have 2630 tabs in my main window (I admit I may need to prune that down _just a bit_). People with ADHD ("ADD" is a very outdated term) aren't always disorganized. In fact, they're often organized to an unusually high degree (sometimes to a fault). I've been diagnosed since 1996 and I rarely have more than 10 or 12 tabs open across all windows at a time. Paying close attention…

> People with ADHD ("ADD" is a very outdated term) The old naming scheme made more sense than the current one. Under the current definition there are three types of ADHD, of which the "inattentive" type used to be called ADD because it doesn't have the "hyperactivity" trademark. So for that type "ADHD" is a misnomer that causes people to not even consider they may have it.

I heard they wanted to change it to just ADD in the DSM5, but it would apparently cause a lot of trouble in various statutes that specifically reference ADHD.

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Post by grounder »

collinvandyck76 wrote: post #267

I really really want this to be a part of firefox, but they should have waited to blog about it until it spent a litle more time in the oven. First impressions were not great, on a number of fronts: - i could not for the life of me get the tabs to be anything other than the favicons. i tried the suggestion to show sidebar, but that option was not available. - toggling the setting resulted in duplicate menu bar entrie…

The button next to the refresh button is what makes the side bar show wider tabs (Icon, title, close button). It took me way too long to figure that out.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by speff »

sweeter wrote: post #198

Sigh... No, Mozilla, this is not what we wanted. We already have 500 sidebar tab extensions. We wanted horizontal tab groupings. It's not that unreasonable. I've been following this issue for 3 years now and this is what they cough out? I'm over it. I'm moving on. So frustrating.

Counterpoint - I wanted a native implementation of vertical tabs. Sidebery's fine, but it feels like an extension rather than something properly built in.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by CuriousCosmic »

krzyk wrote: post #223
CuriousCosmic wrote: post #134

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Have you tried Simple Tab Groups? It's a similar concept but instead of keeping all the tabs organised as a tree (and generally keeping them all open), you can create groups of tabs that are kept unloaded/hidden and you can load them up on a given window with a click of a button or a hotkey. I personally use them so I can context switch between projects. I can keep one group for project a, one for project b, one for…

Unfortunately it doesn't work for pinned tabs - I use them for pages that I want to keep for longer and remember about them. Bookmarks are used for something that I store and go back to it seldom (e.g. when I store a recipe).

Tbh I do prefer that it doesn't apply to pinned tabs. I keep tabs pinned when I want them to stay in a window even when I switch tabs. Things like my schedule, etc that I generally want in one place to be able to easily look at regardless of what I'm doing.

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Post by yellowapple »

nine_k wrote: post #184
waveBidder wrote: post #172

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I do this too; have you found effective ways to tell firefox to maybe chill on eating all memory? I find if I don't restart ~1/week, it will end up reserving ~32GB of RAM for itself, which is just absurd.

Of course, else it would be unmanageable. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/auto-tab-disc... I tell it to never discard certain tabs, like gmail or snack or calendar. Also in some situations it's very convenient to ask it to discard tabs in all other windows, or all tabs but the current one. Otherwise it just discards tabs after some time of inactivity. It integrates with TST and can operate in terms of…

Crazy that I haven't heard of this one before. Just installed it and after forcibly putting all the tabs in all my windows to sleep my machine's memory usage dropped from 60% to 30%.

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Post by yellowapple »

nirvdrum wrote: post #237
Eridrus wrote: post #131

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I feel like tree style tabs made sense when monitors were just a little narrower and so you wanted to make use of unused real estate. These days I want to split my window in half and have two windows open at once, e.g. code editor & browser/shell/etc. In general, I prefer having a search interface to my tabs, previously with Tabli, but now it's built into Chrome with Ctrl-Shift-A. I regularly have dozens of tabs open…

The ancestry information in Tree Style Tabs (and also with Orion's built-in vertical tabs) is an undersold feature, I think. Edge has vertical tabs and they're not terribly useful. You get a constant-sized click target, which is a huge UX bump over Chrome's shrinking targets, but having trees of tabs is amazingly useful for organization. I hadn't really thought about the side-by-side window thing, though, so I'll kee…

I use Edge on my work PC, and one thing that keeps me sane when dealing with a lot of tabs is using the "tab groups" feature it inherited from Chromium. It ain't quite as powerful as an actual tree, but having at least one level of grouping is nice for things like "I want to keep all the tabs for this ticket together".

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Post by pxc »

rimunroe wrote: post #226
Izkata wrote: post #218

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> People with ADHD ("ADD" is a very outdated term) The old naming scheme made more sense than the current one. Under the current definition there are three types of ADHD, of which the "inattentive" type used to be called ADD because it doesn't have the "hyperactivity" trademark. So for that type "ADHD" is a misnomer that causes people to not even consider they may have it.

That's a fair point and I'm probably just being overly touchy. I have ADHD-C and (perhaps unsurprisingly) favor ADHD-* nomenclature for distinguishing inside the umbrella. I think a large part of my aversion to "ADD" is because in the past I've mostly heard it used by people who saying they're "so ADD" when describing normal behavior (the same way people refer to being "OCD about X").

'ADD' does seem more likely to be used in that flippant way by people who don't have it, but IME ADHDers who self-describe with the term 'ADD' are just older, and for whatever reason have some kind of identity attachment to the nomenclature that was current when they were diagnosed.

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Post by yellowapple »

jorvi wrote: post #194
KaiMagnus wrote: post #20

Found a recent screenshot of it on Reddit. Looks good, I hope it has similar nesting like Tree Style Tab though. In my opinion that is still the best implementation of this idea across all browsers. Firefox' UI has kinda stagnated. It's not like other browsers are far ahead – Chrome doesn't have vertical tabs either – but it does have groups and profiles. They really need to get out of this stale and boring state and…

> Firefox' UI has kinda stagnated. It's not like other browsers are far ahead – Chrome doesn't have vertical tabs either Brave has had vertical tabs for.. more than half a year now. Maybe a year? On top of that it has a sidebar, it has a built-in adblocker, the rest of the settings are more hardened than default Firefox, they do tonnes of research ( https://brave.com/research/ ), including really cool one's like Suga…

Firefox has had vertical tabs for more than a decade now. It just required an add-on until now.

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Post by imbnwa »

_thisdot wrote: post #203
thomasahle wrote: post #110

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And it also as vertical tabs! Just checked out Arc. Very innovative design. I guess it's inspired by mobile browsers.

Seems to me that Arc is inspired by Operating Systems in general. - Workspaces/Desktops with mouse gestures - Spotlight like Quick Launch - Alt Tab like Tab switch - Window management within the browser - Dedicated area for Media control - Widgets on mouse hover

Might as well go all the way, the browser is basically an OS anyway on top of your OS anyway

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Post by Todays10k »

buo wrote: post #34
KaiMagnus wrote: post #20

Found a recent screenshot of it on Reddit. Looks good, I hope it has similar nesting like Tree Style Tab though. In my opinion that is still the best implementation of this idea across all browsers. Firefox' UI has kinda stagnated. It's not like other browsers are far ahead – Chrome doesn't have vertical tabs either – but it does have groups and profiles. They really need to get out of this stale and boring state and…

I think the best vertical tabs implementation in firefox is Sidebery. The use of "panes" to group tabs is brilliant. Older versions were buggy, but version 5 has been rock solid for me. https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery

How have I not heard about this in the bajillion times I whined about tab groups?

I kinda dislike that Firefox only have one good option that involves completely hiding each group currently not in use, but it functioned ith their tab containers which made it worth the hassle.

If this does too, I'm switching permanently

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