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Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by attendant3446 »

mpeg wrote: post #146
attendant3446 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox has profiles. It's just not very user-friendly. But Chrome tabs don't even have horizontal scrolling. If you work with, say, more than 10 tabs, Chrome squashes them, and the more tabs you have open, the less usable it becomes. Meanwhile, Firefox has horizontal scrolling and neat (geeky) options for navigating lots of tabs.

The lack of horizontal scrolling in Chrome and most chrome-based browsers drives me absolutely crazy, it's such a basic feature... Firefox on the other hand has terrible support for profiles, I've been using Arc which is good but has worse performance when working with a lot of tabs (hundreds)

I can't take a browser seriously unless it's open source. Arc may be the best browser of them all in terms of features, but I'd never consider it as an alternative to anything until it opens up its source code. We shouldn't trust a closed-source browser.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by bilkow »

attendant3446 wrote: post #83
KaiMagnus wrote: post #20

Found a recent screenshot of it on Reddit. Looks good, I hope it has similar nesting like Tree Style Tab though. In my opinion that is still the best implementation of this idea across all browsers. Firefox' UI has kinda stagnated. It's not like other browsers are far ahead – Chrome doesn't have vertical tabs either – but it does have groups and profiles. They really need to get out of this stale and boring state and…

Firefox has profiles. It's just not very user-friendly. But Chrome tabs don't even have horizontal scrolling. If you work with, say, more than 10 tabs, Chrome squashes them, and the more tabs you have open, the less usable it becomes. Meanwhile, Firefox has horizontal scrolling and neat (geeky) options for navigating lots of tabs.

Also on Firefox you can hold CTRL+T / CTRL+W to open / close multiple tabs, CTRL+Click or SHIFT+Click to select multiple tabs at once and then e.g. move them to another window or close them, etc.

I always assumed Chrome also had all of these features, including scrolling, etc.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by donkeybeer »

persnickety wrote: post #220
akkartik wrote: post #214

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> on the other hand, I am deeply disappointed with the state of current browser experience. Are there specific problems you keep running into? Or is this more a desire they were constantly improving? My attitude tends to be that every new improvement is just something I risk getting used to and then getting sad when it (inevitably) breaks for me. So these days I just want to use as few features on my computer as poss…

I'm using Firefox. I keep running into the problem of not being able to find the website I visited. If the concept is not in the URL or the page title, it might as well not exist in the history. I run into the problem of disappearing documents. Neither bookmarks nor tabs provide persistence. There are online services which save documents, but I don't want to rely ona third party to keep my stuff. I often want to anno…

When you ctrl+S to save a page, by default the first attempt fails, as evidenced by the warning icon in the Downloads button. You click it again to save it, and naturally it redownloads and reexecutes the page and all its resources again. Likewise if you save an already open image, more often than not even when it was just loaded, it will need to be downloaded again.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by somishere »

Retr0id wrote: post #86

I used to be a tree-style-tabs power user but at some point I went back to regular tabs. I find that the amount of horizontal tab space is pretty close to the actual number of things I can usefully have open at once. Seeing the tabs get "squished" is my reminder to close the ones I no longer need. I was using the tab-state as a sort of short-term working memory and I don't think it was doing me any favours, particula…

I put together a simple TST hack / extension that puts recently active tabs in the horizontal space (with a "user-defined" timeout). Have been using it actively for the last few years.

https://gist.github.com/theprojectsomething/6813b2c27611be03...

It's nowhere near perfect (see comments in the gist), but I genuinely enjoy the paradigm of easy access active tabs alongside a full laundry list. I find myself reinstalling it on new machines as I go. It's also just a few lines of CSS.

That said, keen to try out the nightly version of vertical tabs. Tho I'm hoping my active tabs hack might work with it too.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by buo »

slightwinder wrote: post #114
buo wrote: post #34

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I think the best vertical tabs implementation in firefox is Sidebery. The use of "panes" to group tabs is brilliant. Older versions were buggy, but version 5 has been rock solid for me. https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery

How do panes scale for many groups? Can you manage 20, 30 panes? Or does it become annoying at this amount? Sidebery is nice, but it's missing an API allowing other addons to interact with it. This is a big benefit of Tree Style Tabs, especially as you can even exploit it as a user.

I have 20 panes and it works fine.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by clumsysmurf »

worble wrote: post #69
KaiMagnus wrote: post #20

Found a recent screenshot of it on Reddit. Looks good, I hope it has similar nesting like Tree Style Tab though. In my opinion that is still the best implementation of this idea across all browsers. Firefox' UI has kinda stagnated. It's not like other browsers are far ahead – Chrome doesn't have vertical tabs either – but it does have groups and profiles. They really need to get out of this stale and boring state and…

> They really need to get out of this stale and boring state and innovate more I'm just as excited as you are for side tabs, but I don't think browsers need to be constantly innovating their UI. In fact, the last time Firefox did that it took a week of tinkering to get it back to a usable state, and I now have the constant "Compact (Unsupported)" layout hovering over me, reminding me that one day I'll probably have t…

I'm in the group that uses multiple browsers. Its hard going between Safari and Firefox:

* Safari has tab groups. I guess Firefox is working on it again

* FF 129 just got Tab previews, but you have to hover over each to see it. Safari can show you previews for everything in a tab group

It sounds like FF is catching up slowly, but compared to Safari's UI, still feel like IE6. I use it for uBlock mostly.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Post by wonger_ »

JohnFen wrote: post #199
II2II wrote: post #181

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> To my mind, tabs and bookmarks should meld into one. Different people have different needs, so it is useful to distinguish between the two. For example: I have groups of bookmarks that I like to open as tabs in a separate window. If I only need them once a week, I want to close the window when I am done and pull them up again when they are needed. Fishing them out of a history of all of my browsing is something tha…

> Different people have different needs, so it is useful to distinguish between the two. I agree entirely. I don't use the bookmark facilities in the browser at all, because I prefer using separate a bookmark server that I run. That way my bookmarks are available from any machine using any browser that happens to be available. But I do use tabs. Not to the extent that they need management, though -- I rarely have mor…

What do you use for a bookmark server?
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