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Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by saagarjha »

CaliforniaKarl wrote: post #503
hintymad wrote: post #412

There is a famous paper about the location of company headquarters: they get as close as possible to the residence of company CEOs. If we don't consider the CEO's influence, I'm actually curious if the location of company headquarters has to do with the average age of the employees in the Bay Area. As the employees start to have families, they most likely move to the south bay for better or for worse, and I have a ha…

The mentioned South Bay locations are xAI's Palo Alto office, and an office in Santana Row. Both locations likely have connections to Caltrain. I don't know where xAI's Palo Alto office is, but transit in the corporate Palo Alto office are generally good. If xAI is in the Stanford Research Park, you'll be taking a shuttle that runs only during commute times, and takes 15-30 minutes, depending on where exactly you get…

The Santana Row office is miserable to get to via Caltrain. You're going to want to bike or scooter and even then it's a trip on Stevens Creek/San Carlos, which is exceptionally busy at all times of day due to the two malls next to it and also it drops bike lanes for some portion of the road.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by hintymad »

nostrademons wrote: post #524
groby_b wrote: post #479

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fwiw, hiring senior talent in SF works just fine. If you pay at the right pricing tier. SF is a decent city. It could definitely do better, it has issues, but if we all could stop pretending it's a post apocalyptic hellscape, that'd be nice. Yes, you pay an SF premium. You pay a premium for most major cities, and the worse housing is, the higher the premium. But I'd bet moving to the South Bay isn't happening for tha…

South Bay & Peninsula housing is actually more expensive than SF, though you do get a bit more for your money. Compensation is often marginally higher as well, though most companies with offices in both have them in the same salary band.

For senior engineers, I'd say opportunities weigh more than the difference in salary or even in overall package, unless the package correlates with the opportunities. I may complain about commute, but I'd still be happy to join an exciting startup in the city.

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Post by DonHopkins »

EricE wrote: post #433
DonHopkins wrote: post #310

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Made out of real poo!

Thats why they are leaving SF

I'm pretty sure Elon Musk runs around San Francisco late at night shitting on sidewalks himself, just so he has something to complain about.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by saagarjha »

weitendorf wrote: post #509
hintymad wrote: post #412

There is a famous paper about the location of company headquarters: they get as close as possible to the residence of company CEOs. If we don't consider the CEO's influence, I'm actually curious if the location of company headquarters has to do with the average age of the employees in the Bay Area. As the employees start to have families, they most likely move to the south bay for better or for worse, and I have a ha…

> If we don't consider the CEO's influence, I'm actually curious if the location of company headquarters has to do with the average age of the employees in the Bay Area. As the employees start to have families, they most likely move to the south bay for better or for worse, and I have a hard time imagine that they'd enjoy commuting via BART or Caltrain for more than an hour every day. IME this is definitely true and…

Google has offices in San Francisco but it also has offices in South San Francisco, San Bruno, Redwood City, Palo Alto, Mountain View, Sunnyvale, and San Jose. And probably some other cities I forgot. The "reason" Google has an office anywhere has to do more with "why not" rather than anything else.

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Post by saagarjha »

asveikau wrote: post #464
beacon294 wrote: post #422

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What did you mean by "move to south bay for good for worse"? I just couldn't parse your meaning.

They seem unaware that a lot of SF based people go to the east bay. But it's not inevitable that families move to suburbs either. Commenter is partly perpetuating a 1960s era "white flight" kind of stereotype, where cities are said to be terrible for families. I happen to have two kids in SF. Additionally, a lot of what drives people out of SF specifically is the expense.

Yes, but surely those people are not moving to the South Bay (which is just as expensive).

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Post by jacobolus »

deadmutex wrote: post #559
jacobolus wrote: post #552

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Cities are far more kid-friendly than suburbs, especially for kids from age ~9–18. Everything is walkable or can be reached by transit, many more amenities and activities are accessible, kids are dramatically less dependent on parents or other caretakers to constantly chaperone them, and there are a wider variety of other kids around with many niche interests. Some kids' parents irrationally believe cities will be ba…

Please also consider that suburbs are often much cheaper to rent a 1800 sqft of living space (say a decent 3 BR 2 Bath) vs the city.

That's true. Housing is expensive because the city is great and people want to live here, but the direct results of expensive housing are harmful to the society (and high rent is a kind of giant tax on all economic activity, raising prices in shops, restaurants, etc.).

It would be a significant benefit to the people of SF if the western half of the city were significantly upzoned with a lot of new housing construction here and throughout the Bay Area, and ideally rent and house prices cut by something like half (gradually rather than in a market crash), so that more of the people necessary to run the city could afford to live here.

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Post by LAC-Tech »

jrflowers wrote: post #536
LAC-Tech wrote: post #515

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Are the nazis here in the room with us, right now?

This isn’t Twitter. This is a different website.

I find the word almost always reflects more poorly on the accuser than the accusee. Just a near meaningless curse word used with very little care or accuracy.

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

debacle wrote: post #392

Does Elon still dislike/disallow remote work? Seems like that would be a competitive disadvantage.

There are plenty of people who have no problem working from the office 5 days a week, and even some who prefer it. On HN some people are vocal about insisting on remote work, but outside the bubble here people aren't so adamant. Your average person would prefer remote, but isn't going to refuse a job offer based only on that one factor.

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

timeon wrote: post #302
tacker2000 wrote: post #290

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San Jose is very much a suburbia-type city, very spread out, downtown is rather small and you need a car 90% of the time, whereas SF is much denser. I assume the drug use/homeless issues are less prevalent in San Jose, at least it was that way 10 yrs ago.

> suburbia-type city Isn't this oxymoron? Isn't city the `urbia`?

No, cities are not only the super dense large cities. Smaller cities exist too, and are comparable to the suburbs of large cities in their feel.

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Post by loceng »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #113
loceng wrote: post #100

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Hey dang, what exactly in my comment above warrants -5 (or more) downvotes?

You’re telling people to commute with a thing that doesn’t and very unlikely ever will exist?

https://www.boringcompany.com/vegas-loop - doesn't exist?
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