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Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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don't think 2 months is generous

What's your baseline and where are you getting it? At least compared to the statutorily mandated amount of 0 days, and what companies typically give out (eg. 1-2 months), it's pretty good.

> At least compared to the statutorily mandated amount of 0 days

For a mass layoff, the statutorily mandated minimum amount is actually 2 months.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

#82
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>US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR The important difference you're missing is that unlike china or the USSR, there are competitors you can jump ship to (eg. Lenovo or HP), and Dell can't send you to the gulag for disagreeing with them.

But they can deny you severance payments if you say anything bad about them. Not all companies do this, but enough that it makes the analogy to China or the USSR more appropriate

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Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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hey the economy is doing great, what you are feeling is a "vibecession". Don't look at the hundreds of thousands of tech employees fired in the past 2 years.

Dell's employee number grew from 105,000 in 2017 to peak level of 165,000 in 2020, before going down to the current level of 130,000 - [0]

But are you saying we should only pay attention when layoff happens, ignoring a long period of significant growth?

[0] - https://www.statista.com/statistics/264917/number-of-employe...

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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I'm not finding any legal difference in the US. What difference do you know of?

If you're fired with cause, no severance, else, severance. It is quite common knowledge.

This may be convention, but it is not law. No federal or state law requires severance pay in the US.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR The important difference you're missing is that unlike china or the USSR, there are competitors you can jump ship to (eg. Lenovo or HP), and Dell can't send you to the gulag for disagreeing with them.

But they can deny you severance payments if you say anything bad about them. Not all companies do this, but enough that it makes the analogy to China or the USSR more appropriate

How is "you're denied payments voluntarily made to you" anywhere close to "you get sent to the gulag"?

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR. A bunch of MBAs acting as petty dictators hiring and firing at will, driven by nothing more than a few financial indicators and their intuition, i.e. they are making it up as they go, just like Stalin and Mao were doing back then.

You couldn't easily fire in USSR, not a good analogy. US corps look more like feudal kingdoms of the middle ages with serfs.

I don't think they could fire serfs that easily either

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Feels like we are about to get a new wave of large layoffs. Things like Intel last week and Berkshire Hathaway sells off... Brace for impact!

Dell is directly downstream of Intel. Generations of servers typically match the cadence of a CPU generation.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR The important difference you're missing is that unlike china or the USSR, there are competitors you can jump ship to (eg. Lenovo or HP), and Dell can't send you to the gulag for disagreeing with them.

But they can deny you severance payments if you say anything bad about them. Not all companies do this, but enough that it makes the analogy to China or the USSR more appropriate

no. anti-disparagement clauses in severance agreements are illegal.
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