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Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Post by uqual »

thebeardisred wrote: post #11

Wow, this feels like a middle finger on the way out the door: > Severance for most will likely involve a payout of two months wages plus a week per year served up to a max of 26 weeks A week per year of service?

Although, look at it like a retroactive inflation adjusted 2% raise for every year up to 26 that you worked at Dell.

Dell doesn't _have_ to offer much of anything although in my experience the 1 week per year of tenure on top of a fixed payout is fairly common.

For a 26 year employee, that's a total of 8 months of pay which is plenty of time to find a new job - assuming you have valuable skills to contribute and haven't just been coasting for years and not keeping your industry skills up to date. If one can't find a job in six months that is similar to their now defunct job, they probably won't and likely need to adjust their expectations.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Post by gruez »

dauertewigkeit wrote: post #34

US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR. A bunch of MBAs acting as petty dictators hiring and firing at will, driven by nothing more than a few financial indicators and their intuition, i.e. they are making it up as they go, just like Stalin and Mao were doing back then.

>US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR

The important difference you're missing is that unlike china or the USSR, there are competitors you can jump ship to (eg. Lenovo or HP), and Dell can't send you to the gulag for disagreeing with them.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Post by grecy »

thebeardisred wrote: post #11

Wow, this feels like a middle finger on the way out the door: > Severance for most will likely involve a payout of two months wages plus a week per year served up to a max of 26 weeks A week per year of service?

Welcome to America. As you can see from all the replies here, employee exploitation is not just the norm, it's expected.

As you can see people are even thankful for it!

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Post by gred »

thebeardisred wrote: post #11

Wow, this feels like a middle finger on the way out the door: > Severance for most will likely involve a payout of two months wages plus a week per year served up to a max of 26 weeks A week per year of service?

Seriously curious, what is your point of reference that makes this look bad?

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Post by myth_drannon »

dauertewigkeit wrote: post #34

US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR. A bunch of MBAs acting as petty dictators hiring and firing at will, driven by nothing more than a few financial indicators and their intuition, i.e. they are making it up as they go, just like Stalin and Mao were doing back then.

You couldn't easily fire in USSR, not a good analogy.

US corps look more like feudal kingdoms of the middle ages with serfs.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Post by gruez »

nolok wrote: post #36
dauertewigkeit wrote: post #34

US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR. A bunch of MBAs acting as petty dictators hiring and firing at will, driven by nothing more than a few financial indicators and their intuition, i.e. they are making it up as they go, just like Stalin and Mao were doing back then.

To support your point, this is quite literally a part of a move to decrease them from 120k to 100k employees. Who decided those arbitrary numbers, and that 100k (not 105, not 95) was the goal needed for the best interest of the company, while not even linking it to specific division within it ? Clearly not someone in touch with the day to day and nitty gritty. Not because that number is good (or not), I don't know De…

> but because that number is too round, too perfect

Because it's an external estimate. From the article:

"That number has been guesstimated at around ten percent of the workforce – about 12,500 people – as part of an effort to get the overall workforce from 120,000 to below 100,000."

>while not even linking it to specific division within

there's no indication that they decided to cut 10% (or whatever) evenly across all divisions. The only thing we do know is that the overall reduction is 10%.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Post by esel2k »

Why do recent layoff often need to attach something with AI? Few companies have even found a solid revenue model or recurring paying customers.

I can only guess but saying layoff because of AI sounds better than « layoff » (because of mismanagement)?

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Post by laborundrstandr »

gruez wrote: post #40
laborundrstandr wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grading exit packages on a curve instead of what workers deserve only carries water for Dell and sets an ever lower bar for every subsequent round of layoffs.

Okay, how should it be graded? What's preventing me for arbitrarily choosing a number like 100 months? Averages might not be perfect, but at least everyone can agree on it.

You can choose 100 months then advocate your position on its merits, if you like. This is a political question, a contest of power and resources, not a math problem. Scaling severance to be proportionate to the average period of unemployment at the time of firing would ensure the company doing the layoff would bear their share of the societal burden of unemployment they are helping to create.
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