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Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by asddubs »

jd3 wrote: post #99

A couple passages of note: > 112. The integration of generative AI is perhaps the clearest example of competition advancing search quality. Google accelerated and launched its public piloting of Bard one day before Microsoft announced BingChat, the integration of ChatGPT’s generative AI technology into Bing to deliver answers to queries. Id. at 8272:4-7 (Reid); id. at 2670:10–2671:9 (Parakhin). (describing BingChat).…

google had plenty of incorrect information at the top of the page before then, just instead of AI it was some algorithm pulling sentence fragments out of a page where the context was often the opposite of what you're asking

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by Trompair »

crazygringo wrote: post #149
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those disagreeing, the power of defaults is incredibly powerful , most users are blissfully unaware on how to, or why they might want to change them. Sure, plenty will change it back, but many won't. We've seen this play out with Apple Maps already — Something that may get Apple in trouble too. Remember that Google was paying Apple 20 BILLION for the privilege, and a key reason they had an antitrust case against…

No, defaults aren't incredibly powerful. Chrome utterly dominates Edge on Windows, despite Edge being default. How do you explain that? The reality is that people know what they like, and most will switch to the thing they like most. Especially when it costs nothing.

Simple: All they know is Google.

Launch Edge > Search "Google" > Bing displays Google Search link > Click > Google Search tells user to install Chrome > User installs Chrome > Google maintains browser and search engine monopoly

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by bee_rider »

trentnix wrote: post #175
matwood wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's to have Google be default. It doesn't explain why it's impossible to add others to the list.

I think the circumstantial evidence is sufficient to figure it out.

Are we supposing that Google made their payment conditional on obfuscating the ability to switch search engines?

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by CapstanRoller »

crazygringo wrote: post #125
arresin wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$20 billion in 2022 according to the verge via court docs: https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/2/24147007/google-paid-apple...

No, absolutely not -- that says nothing whatsoever about making the default difficult to change. It's just about what the default is .

It "says nothing whatsoever" only if you fell off the turnip truck yesterday, or have a vested interest in defending a massive corporation.

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Post by dvngnt_ »

crazygringo wrote: post #149
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those disagreeing, the power of defaults is incredibly powerful , most users are blissfully unaware on how to, or why they might want to change them. Sure, plenty will change it back, but many won't. We've seen this play out with Apple Maps already — Something that may get Apple in trouble too. Remember that Google was paying Apple 20 BILLION for the privilege, and a key reason they had an antitrust case against…

No, defaults aren't incredibly powerful. Chrome utterly dominates Edge on Windows, despite Edge being default. How do you explain that? The reality is that people know what they like, and most will switch to the thing they like most. Especially when it costs nothing.

a lot of that is from past intertia. if the default becomes good enough then newer people who don't know what they like will use defaults unless it's so bad/people recommend that they switch

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by pklausler »

tootie wrote: post #223
knuckleheads wrote: post #37

> Mehta’s decision is expected to trigger a separate proceeding to determine what penalties Google will face – and the company is also likely to file an appeal As a Google antitrust watcher, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop with what remedies the court will actually recommend to correct this monopoly. If you ask 20 experts, who all otherwise agree that Google is a monopoly, you might get 40 different answers ab…

I can envision a gnarly Venn diagram of search, ads, AI, analytics, Chrome. You could easily make this 5 separate companies (ads and analytics were acquired), but you probably just need to split it somewhere in the middle.

"easily?" Which one would own Platforms? Which one would own the google3 monorepo?

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by xyst »

Google didn't payoff the right public sector employees. The Christian and O&G lobbyists were able to buy off politicians and judges to get the right rulings so they can continue to ruin the country (ie, defang regulators so O&G can continue polluting without hurting their bottom line, none to minimal punishment for pushing anti-climate propaganda, pushing "white christian values" to children without consequence, the presence of religion throughout government ranks, abuse of religious tax exempt status, no enforcement on donations to political entities from religious orgs)
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