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Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Apple doesn't allow you to switch search engines on iPhone?

they do allow you to switch - maybe it refers to google paying to be the default search engine?

seems like these days most of the payment is 36% of ads in Google searches, but maybe there is also some money sent specifically for it to be the default.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds. Why? Mozilla and Apple will lose significant revenue from having Google as the default search engine and Google will no longer have to pay those billions. What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). So what's going to happen? Most users will probably still use Google, nobody is getting paid an…

Disagree. People use Google because it's the default, not because they will go out of their way to keep using it. The minute Apple changes the iPhone default, all but a few iPhone users stop using Google.

Chrome is not anyone's default browser, but it still has dominance. People will be bothered a little under some circumstances.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds. Why? Mozilla and Apple will lose significant revenue from having Google as the default search engine and Google will no longer have to pay those billions. What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). So what's going to happen? Most users will probably still use Google, nobody is getting paid an…

> but Google didn't buy its way into dominance annd maintain their dominance through exclusivity deals

This is a huge claim. Do you have any evidence to back it up?

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At the very least, I hope the Apple-Google ~~exclusivity~~ default agreement is revoked. I suppose it’ll take another year to figure out the actual remedies though.

My idea is that they could auction off the right to be the default search engine separately in each state. So google could still win most of the auctions but if some other smaller provider wanted a chance they could concentrate their whole bet into a smaller market like Rhode Island or whatever.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds. Why? Mozilla and Apple will lose significant revenue from having Google as the default search engine and Google will no longer have to pay those billions. What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). So what's going to happen? Most users will probably still use Google, nobody is getting paid an…

> What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). Not sure if that is true-competition laws often prohibit the dominant market player from doing certain things, yet still allow smaller players to do the same thing.

I assume OP meant in terms of money. Apple will not accept scraps (like tens of Millions) for the default search engine, after getting billions from Google. And no-one else will have the financial resources or be willing to burn these amounts (Microsoft) to offer similar numbers.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Yes. And seat belt laws are bad for hospitals and undertakers.

Can you please expand or explain on this analogy. I'm struggling to connect how Google's last major browser engine competitor potentially losing it's funding due to a separate monopoly issue is similar to laws being passed to reduce death and hospitalizations.

Not using a seatbelt is unhealthy. Using Google search as the default is unhealthy as well.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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At the very least, I hope the Apple-Google ~~exclusivity~~ default agreement is revoked. I suppose it’ll take another year to figure out the actual remedies though.

This could surely open the door for Apple Search as the silver lining.

The door was open the whole time

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds. Why? Mozilla and Apple will lose significant revenue from having Google as the default search engine and Google will no longer have to pay those billions. What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). So what's going to happen? Most users will probably still use Google, nobody is getting paid an…

Disagree. People use Google because it's the default, not because they will go out of their way to keep using it. The minute Apple changes the iPhone default, all but a few iPhone users stop using Google.

For those disagreeing, the power of defaults is incredibly powerful, most users are blissfully unaware on how to, or why they might want to change them. Sure, plenty will change it back, but many won't. We've seen this play out with Apple Maps already — Something that may get Apple in trouble too.

Remember that Google was paying Apple 20 BILLION for the privilege, and a key reason they had an antitrust case against them!

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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> Google’s payments to make its search engine the default option on smartphone web browsers violate US antitrust law, a federal judge ruled Monday, handing a key victory to the Justice Department. I still find it hard to understand why this makes sense. Don't companies make exclusive deals all the time, and whoever bids higher will get such deals? Why is it different for Google this time?

I feel like the more blatant monopoly abuse by Google is how they use the Google search homepage to shill their other products. They effectively give themselves billions of dollars in free advertising
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