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The meanest app: Duolingo subjects its users to "emotional blackmail"

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Re: The meanest app: Duolingo subjects its users to "emotional blackmail"

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I don't know. I'm either too old, or too jaded, or don't give a fuck too much.

It was nagging me, and I just ignored it. It's bad, of course, that I have ignored it, because as a result, learning hasn't happened. But it was very easy for me to ignore it. I didn't feel blackmailed.

And then I keep wondering what all those years of nagging telemarketing calls one has learned to hang up on despite all the tricks can do to one's psyche.

Re: The meanest app: Duolingo subjects its users to "emotional blackmail"

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I like Duolingo for the exact reasons you don't. I want to learn a language, and I will need to know the basics to be able to talk to people on my honeymoon next year. What you see as "nagging" I see as "holding me accountable to a goal I've set for myself." I can definitely see why you'd want to be able to dial back the notifications, though. On principle, I'd usually be on your side in this kind of situation. But a…

> I want to learn a language Then why are you using Duolingo in the first place? That app has to be the worst method, because people think they are progressing while they in fact don't. From personal experience it's the worst method I tired to learn a language, and the content present for languages I know isn't good either.

I'm definitely progressing. I won't get fluent, but my level is definitely higher than that of languages I learned in high school, and I can read signs and stuff. (In fact, I think the method is fairly similar.)

The reason I use Duolingo because it's the only thing I'll actually use, thanks to the emotional blackmail.

Re: The meanest app: Duolingo subjects its users to "emotional blackmail"

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Could you elaborate on which features you'd miss from Duolingo if you switched? For context I'm working on a language learning app (phrasing.app) and I'm pretty against gamification. I've got a couple different review methods (listening, tapping, and typing) but I assume you're referring to a more complete feature set. PS: If anyone wants to beta test the application, contact me on twitter @barrelltech. I just got ev…

I don't think they do anything special. It's just on aggregate between their various interactive mechanisms, there is nice variance to the types of interaction you get to do. Speaking, typing, word selection, etc.

So when you click on a lesson - you like the variance of all the review types before the lesson finishes? That's very doable! Definitely somewhere I'm working towards, and I have a loooot of review ideas XD it'll be a few months until I add more I think though.

Thanks!

Re: The meanest app: Duolingo subjects its users to "emotional blackmail"

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The whole purpose of Duolingo is emotional and psychological manipulation to get us to override our tendencies to procrastinate, forget, etc. Otherwise we'd just pick up a foreign language book. I don't really get the framing of this article.

That's more or less what I was thinking. I want something to help me learn a language. Using gamification and reminders is a way to accomplish that. I don't see where it's doing anything wrong.

Re: The meanest app: Duolingo subjects its users to "emotional blackmail"

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> I want to learn a language Then why are you using Duolingo in the first place? That app has to be the worst method, because people think they are progressing while they in fact don't. From personal experience it's the worst method I tired to learn a language, and the content present for languages I know isn't good either.

I plan on adding a community college class into the mix, so there is some education outside of the app that will happen eventually. But, there's at least a few reasons why you'd use Duolingo exclusively. 1. If you can't afford something better. I keep getting pummeled on the leaderboard by people doing 5000+ XP/week worth of English for Spanish Speakers. None of them have Super Duolingo (you can see if they have it b…

The supplemental is what I'm using it as, in between my A1 and A2 in-class lessons I'm using it to keep my level up and improve my ability to sentence build. New vocabulary is also nice.

Re: The meanest app: Duolingo subjects its users to "emotional blackmail"

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I'm a former military linguist who was trained to learn Arabic. I've always disliked and distrusted Duolingo (and before that, Rosetta Stone), for providing people the basics (which they do just fine) but making it seem like fluency is always just one more upgrade or lesson around the corner while not-so-subtly implying that it's your fault that you're not there yet. Even for the most talented learners of languages i…

> while not-so-subtly implying that it's your fault that you're not there yet

It's disappointing to me how many people try learning a language with Duolingo, do not succeed, then just "accept" that they're "bad with languages" and "can't learn them".

Re: The meanest app: Duolingo subjects its users to "emotional blackmail"

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Babbel or Rosetta Stone

Can you elaborate? It seems pretty opaque what they are like since it seems to be credit card up front with both of them.

They are also language learning apps. Different style than Duolingo, but still worth the price imo

Re: The meanest app: Duolingo subjects its users to "emotional blackmail"

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What I really don't like about Duolingo is how they try to progressively increase your load. Whether it's the monthly achievement or friends' quest, if you try to go faster, then you'll have to go through much more in order to finish those. I experimented with this a bit and found out that to keep the app out of the aggressive mode I just need to do the bare minimum, like 1 lesson per day. And having a sub does not help here. So I just canceled it and doing 1-2 lessons per day to stay in a chill mode.

Re: The meanest app: Duolingo subjects its users to "emotional blackmail"

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Babbel or Rosetta Stone

Can you elaborate? It seems pretty opaque what they are like since it seems to be credit card up front with both of them.

Babbel kind of takes traditional textbook style learning, and adapts it quite well to technology. It's also built around really colloquial conversations, and the audio is high quality. I would say it tends to focus more on how people actually speak than textbook-style speech

Rosetta Stone was the big player before Duolingo. They had a method that involved not using your mother tongue, which they called 'immersion'. I believe in the recent years (since Duolingo ate their pie) they have moved more and more towards dueling style learning. They have an app that's a lot more corporate, but I've heard good things about it too

Note, I haven't used either of these applications in years, I just work in the space and this is my understanding of them

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