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>This technology and science must necessarily be funded by the market. Why?

We are a planet of 8 billion people. Through what other supply model could we ensure the production of computers and technology for everyone (or even just for some) if not the market? Here I found an infographic that shows how the supply chain for the production of a PC works: https://scmresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/supply_ch... This also applies to science. The Covid pandemic is almost certainly a result…

Your covid point reminds me of the Jonathan (oops forgot his last name) inventing rna tech on his yacht :)

And trying to create a market, also from his yacht, but alas also not very successful

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I wanted to really appreciate your comments. Thanks for taking the time.-

Thanks for paying attention. Central Europe also has a very similar low volume ceramics/optics SME networks, but they are also much more industrialized and energy consumptive. Requires boots on the ground to see if the energy shortages will lead to these networks evolving "solarpunk" tech. (They are also similarly secretive). Let me know if you see any trends in that direction! I can tell you from AP that people are…

> Central Europe also has a

Central Europe out of all places.

> very similar low volume ceramics/optics SME networks

By which you mean - excuse the question - "SME networks" as in "business-networked" mid-size commercial concerns doing low volume production in the electroptical field -or- production networks running optoelectronic hardware at a small scale? Or, both ...

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Reading through the homepage one part stood out: they burn through quite some laptops. I wonder, perhaps it’s related to their environment? Salpeter is probably damaging the electronics. Consumer laptops were never designed to be out on sea for such extended time. Now… what could they do about this issue? Assuming this is the root cause of the failures.

I can't find the link right now but I believe they've learned to clean all the ports and keep the laptops in boxes with desiccants to keep them dry

> keep the laptops in boxes with desiccants to keep them dry

Such a simple solution. Have a special low-humidity environment.-

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Thanks for paying attention. Central Europe also has a very similar low volume ceramics/optics SME networks, but they are also much more industrialized and energy consumptive. Requires boots on the ground to see if the energy shortages will lead to these networks evolving "solarpunk" tech. (They are also similarly secretive). Let me know if you see any trends in that direction! I can tell you from AP that people are…

> Central Europe also has a Central Europe out of all places. > very similar low volume ceramics/optics SME networks By which you mean - excuse the question - "SME networks" as in "business-networked" mid-size commercial concerns doing low volume production in the electroptical field -or- production networks running optoelectronic hardware at a small scale? Or, both ...

Haha the first one, but also "small-sized" (in addition to mid-sized)

Also want to point out to academic spinoffs (which most of these SMEs are) like

https://www.kit.edu/kit/english/pi_2023_041_nanomaterials-3d...

They have been "incorporated" but still seems like they haven't got the attention they deserve? (Okay the temp/volume is maybe not low/high enough, but the process is almost domestic kitchen level simple)

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> When people become masters of their own needs to the point where an appreciable part of their creativity remains free... compare with VADM EJK ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41144977 ): > It is essential to extend the knowledge and the practice of "initiative of the subordinate" in principle and in application until they are universal in the exercise of command throughout all echelons of command. (with Grot…

Thanks for the details in philosophical provenance point-out! I will return to the other thread when I've completed current round of debugging local firmware :) Let's just say subordinate can be replaced by "peers" above WLOG,ala Gr

Preorders* are reflexive and transitive, but not necessarily either symmetric or antisymmetric. (eg european languages that make a T/V distinction have shifted from antisymmetric to symmetric use)

* and hence finite topologies, a class to which any social topology belongs?

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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>This technology and science must necessarily be funded by the market. Why?

We are a planet of 8 billion people. Through what other supply model could we ensure the production of computers and technology for everyone (or even just for some) if not the market? Here I found an infographic that shows how the supply chain for the production of a PC works: https://scmresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/supply_ch... This also applies to science. The Covid pandemic is almost certainly a result…

>I can't envision a decentralized technological and scientific world that wouldn't set us back 300 years.

And yet you are here arguing for more capitalist market-based solutions, which are inherently decentralized and have a tendency to create unrelated, wasteful (duplication of effort), and often pointless competition and profit-seeking?

Very odd.

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For me any potential technical argument and innovation is completely drowned in the needlessly pervasive anti-capitalist genderfluid digital nomad hippie talk.

Sorry? Couldn’t hear you over the unnecessarily-inserted alt-right knee-jerk anti-wokism.

I'm sorry you think me not acknowledging or caring about your made-up social minority makes me some sort of political activist.

What I care about is technology, and you have to dig quite hard to extract it here.

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Sorry? Couldn’t hear you over the unnecessarily-inserted alt-right knee-jerk anti-wokism.

I'm sorry you think me not acknowledging or caring about your made-up social minority makes me some sort of political activist. What I care about is technology, and you have to dig quite hard to extract it here.

Fascinating that you seem to think that taking the time and energy to write a trollish shitpost about your offense at someone’s use of pronouns is somehow not acknowledging or caring about that someone’s use of pronouns.

I don’t think you’re an activist, I just think you’re yet another someone who is unable to see the Amazon forest for the chip on your shoulder.

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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We are a planet of 8 billion people. Through what other supply model could we ensure the production of computers and technology for everyone (or even just for some) if not the market? Here I found an infographic that shows how the supply chain for the production of a PC works: https://scmresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/supply_ch... This also applies to science. The Covid pandemic is almost certainly a result…

>I can't envision a decentralized technological and scientific world that wouldn't set us back 300 years. And yet you are here arguing for more capitalist market-based solutions, which are inherently decentralized and have a tendency to create unrelated, wasteful (duplication of effort), and often pointless competition and profit-seeking? Very odd.

Let's not mince words:

- The decentralization of markets (criticized by some, though I'm not among them) is often condemned because it can lead to elements of economic power centralization. Critics argue that it makes people dependent on tools and technologies controlled by a few, and driven by profit.

- The decentralization proposed in the technological field is closer to anarchist ideals and suggests a kind of decentralization implemented by individual people and groups on a voluntary and mutualistic basis.

I don't believe the latter can truly benefit humanity because I don't think we are that evolved. Individuals primarily seek their own personal gain and are often so uninformed as to not understand that this personal benefit is only achievable with the benefit of the community. I believe that the market (controlled and monitored by nations and supranational entities) functions better because it is an imperfect model that, by leveraging people's selfishness, compels them to collaborate and communicate with each other.

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Thank you. It seems like you have a clear path for this transition. Do you have any reading suggestions that explain this transition?

Wanted to address your question about decentralization of the supply chain. We can't decentralize computer manufacture at the moment because there are too many specialized processes and materials in VLSI & beyond, many of which are secret/not published for no good reason . Okay I consider rent seeking not a good reason :) (Think Bell Labs vs post Bell Labs era) you saw the video of that kid making chips at home? It i…

Let's hypothesize that from tomorrow, the knowledge to produce everything at home "DIY" becomes available because it's free (and even today this is increasingly true as the concept of patents is decidedly in crisis). We now possess all the possible knowledge to do everything ourselves. However, one thing remains missing for us to become self-sufficient, and it will always be missing regardless of the economic or political systems, as it remains a finite resource: time.

We can afford to imagine new systems and models because we have significantly more time than our predecessors. We have more time than our ancestors because we are highly specialized, and we exchange this specialization on a local and international level for services, goods, and raw materials.

In the scenario you propose, would we have the time to search for raw materials, study to understand how to process them, create the objects and tools we need, and simultaneously dedicate ourselves to other things (i.e.: while we are doing all of this, we need to attend to children, family, and the fulfillment of basic needs such as food, leisure, sleep, illness, etc.)

In my opinion, it isn't possible. I would more readily understand forms of anarcho-primitivism in which people decide to return to nature and primitive values, either forcibly (which might be feasible) or voluntarily (which seems highly unlikely). At least these do not violate the spatial-temporal limits in which we live :)

Friend, I love being as independent as possible, fixing things by myself and maintaining a garden at home, but I'm aware that it's just a hobby. It's a hobby I can indulge in because for other needs, there are others in the market to lend a hand. If I were to have a toothache tomorrow or if my glasses were to break, in a fully decentralized model like 100rabbits, I'd be in trouble :) Or perhaps, I'm still missing some pieces of the puzzle they propose.

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