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Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Post by CapstanRoller » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 4:55 PM UTC

gvicino wrote: post #308

vinnyvichy wrote: post #225

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In this respect, their page for hacking baguettes by sun&sea is my personal favourite https://100r.co/site/solar_cooking_experiment.html 100Rabbits is like the coming true of Grothendieck's 1972 permatech lecture given at CERN* https://github.com/Lapin0t/grothendieck-cern >"I think that agriculture, stockbreeding, decentralized energy production, medicine of a certain kind, very different from the medicine that preva…

Hello, Thank you for the link you've shared. I read it with great interest. While I can conceive that the aforementioned areas might survive in a post-industrial civilization, it is unclear to me how the technology that 100rabbits is researching could do the same. They might use Raspberry Pis or old PCs donated by others, but: - these are impossible to manufacture without industries, and they are limited in number -…

>This technology and science must necessarily be funded by the market.

Why?

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Post by ratmeadow » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 4:59 PM UTC

ropejumper wrote: post #327

ratmeadow wrote: post #231

My first impression after reading a bit about their lifestyle was "how on earth do they have time for all this?" Things like maintaining the boat, sourcing fresh food every day for cooking, making games, creating art. Meanwhile they do all this in a very constrained environment, which can't help efficiency. Where is the time in the day for everything, after working? Then I saw they say they only work during the morni…

The cheat code is that they have a Patreon. They make things that people like, so people pay them for it. "They don't work" is a bit reductive. Working is producing value, and value is whatever people are willing to pay for. It's not like they're millionares or something. They just managed to cut expenses low enough, while convincing people to pay them for the things they produce.

This seems plausible enough. I guess I'm surprised that one can live sustainably with such a lifestyle and income. Wild because I would consider myself "barely getting anywhere in life" living the typical 9-5 job, probably earning more cash and with even less spare time. Theoretically higher work efficiency, but perhaps for naught? If one can get by with a more enjoyable life and working less, living on a boat.

Also I did not mean to say that their creative output is not useful because it's not work. They are definitely doing more useful work than me.

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Post by disqard » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 4:59 PM UTC

Bluestein wrote: post #305

polairscience wrote: post #236

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You're telling me. Being on HN and working on remote autonomous systems is such a dichotomy. We measure transmission rates in Kb still and costs in thousands of dollars. Not to mention power consumption. Sometimes I wish there was a conference for people working on these kinds of projects. "The union of Luddite scientists annual meeting" or something.

> "The union of Luddite scientists ... Somebody really ought to set that up, assuming it doesn't already exist in some fashion ...

Paging Abner Coimbre...

Bluestein, you should check out the Handmade Conference(s).

https://handmadecities.com/

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Post by kragen » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:27 PM UTC

kragen wrote: post #95

pmarreck wrote: post #91

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I have sympathies for it too. But I am also not at all surprised by your "harmed more by anti-caps than caps" statement. The funny thing about having a kid (he's 3) is that you are forced to re-evaluate all your values and preconceived notions to see what it is you really want to transmit to your kid.

well, i live in argentina, see, so i've had the opportunity to live under an anti-capitalist government. if you've only lived in a society where capitalists have all the power then it would be unsurprising if the powerless anti-capitalists haven't harmed you

somehow i missed that you said 'not at all surprised', oops

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Post by mattlohkamp » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:38 PM UTC

ghostwords wrote: post #385

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Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Post by ropejumper » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:41 PM UTC

ratmeadow wrote: post #412

ropejumper wrote: post #327

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The cheat code is that they have a Patreon. They make things that people like, so people pay them for it. "They don't work" is a bit reductive. Working is producing value, and value is whatever people are willing to pay for. It's not like they're millionares or something. They just managed to cut expenses low enough, while convincing people to pay them for the things they produce.

This seems plausible enough. I guess I'm surprised that one can live sustainably with such a lifestyle and income. Wild because I would consider myself "barely getting anywhere in life" living the typical 9-5 job, probably earning more cash and with even less spare time. Theoretically higher work efficiency, but perhaps for naught? If one can get by with a more enjoyable life and working less, living on a boat. Also…

Maybe, but your life is almost definitely more luxurious (unless you live somewhere where that's not the case). Not everyone could manage to live like this, I think.

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Post by myaccountonhn » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:42 PM UTC

doovd wrote: post #262

lomase wrote: post #254

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I don't think they sustain themselves with this project.

Ahh right so this is not a 365days per year thing, but they have relatively normal jobs in the industry?

I think they worked in the industry and don’t need to work to sustain themselves now. Probably they had a few years of runway and then together with their income sources can sustain themselves at a slight negative.

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Post by BizarroLand » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:55 PM UTC

shermantanktop wrote: post #394

yawpitch wrote: post #249

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Ahh, the utter tragedy of the Sesamoschism of 1842. The sad thing is that the deadlock between the Correctly Righteous Matriarchaleanbageloptomistrists and the Righteously Correct Matriarchaleanbageloptomistrists all comes down to one member’s error in mixing toasted light sesame seeds with raw dark sesame seeds, and neither side being able to agree which member needed to suffer the rites of immaculate defenestration…

Yes, then in 1863 we had a brief window of hope as Frau Blücher, a charismatic blind preacher, wrote her famous “Two Theses” on a bagel bag: “1. I cannot taste the difference; 2. It all looks the same in your stomach.” This ecumenical message sadly did not endure and she too was thrown out of a first floor window.

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Post by CamperBob2 » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:57 PM UTC

jll29 wrote: post #250

skadamat wrote: post #40

We sorely need more serious experimentation with computing & computing cultures and IMO Hundred Rabbits is a great example of this. Instead of talking about ideas, they practice what they preach. As with most experiments, we can observe and borrow shadows of their ideas into our own life hopefully!

I appreciate people who dare to experiment with their life style. The boat idea would perhaps too lonely for most people, but it would be nice to see folks experiment with re-inventing communes/new types of forming communities. There is strictly no reason for each person to own a TV, PC, dishwasher, washing machine, etc. - most of that could be shared so as to reduce electronic waste and increase sustainability. The…

Dishwasher and washing machine, sure.

TV? Meh. Who gets to decide what we all watch?

PC? GTFO. That's mine. Hands off. That means you, too, Satya.

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Post by myaccountonhn » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 6:02 PM UTC

throw4847285 wrote: post #406

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #340

I want to get on board with these groups, would really want to be in one. Can't all society be cool and live like this? But. I keep coming back around to, where are they getting all this stuff. Everything that keeps them going has to be made somewhere, by working stiffs with day jobs. There is no escaping Moloch. These groups are the odd random cast off, and I really want to be them, but everyone can't be them, or th…

Have you seen the movie My Dinner with Andre? At its core is a debate over whether or not people need to get to the top of Mount Everest (metaphorically) to have a transcendent experience, and if so, what do you do for the people who can't afford to get to the top of Everest? I've seen the movie several times and I always leave conflicted. I find these kinds of radical departures from "normal life" to be thrilling, e…

Woah, one of my favorite movies is referenced here. That’s cool to see.

I really like your takeaway. It’s very important to have ideas of what life could be, so we have something to work towards as individuals and society.

I read a book a while back, passions and the interests, which talks about the philosophical underpinnings of capitalism. It’s interesting to think that capitalism as it was originally conceived was meant to lower our passions in favor of commerce, since it was considered the most tamable vice. No wonder we feel inspired when people choose to try something different.