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Who Took the Cocaine Out of Coca-Cola?

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Re: Who Took the Cocaine Out of Coca-Cola?

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Cocaine was never a coca-cola ingredient. The intro to the article exaggerates for narrative effect. Coca leaf was, and still is, an ingredient in coca-cola. So both cocaine and coca-cola are made with coca leaf, but coca-cola is not and never has been made with cocaine.

>Cocaine was never a coca-cola ingredient. yeah the same way thc is not an ingredient in your roommate's special brownies

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Re: Who Took the Cocaine Out of Coca-Cola?

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I am not clear on how an article that does not overtly tie race to drug use or policy is in any way supportive of the notion that the historical record does not contain supportive evidence of a link between race and drug policy in the United States. This article also does not mention escalators but I would not submit it to further a claim that there is no historical evidence of them existing.

I didn't suggest that there is no supportive evidence between race and drug policy, but that fact does not imply that there is a causal relationship in this case. Citing Nixon era documents to describe pre-WWI circumstances is evidence at least as poor as that which I presented.

The article itself cites in the first paragraph this much more detailed analysis of the topic, which may provide the historical context that you felt was lacking.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26391000?mag=who-took-the-cocai...

Re: Who Took the Cocaine Out of Coca-Cola?

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Except people are rewriting history for fun in America's case.

What are some specific examples of what you're referring to?

Slavery seems to be very "American" even though it's not. A lot of ideas and movements during BLM supported the narrative that certain figures were crazy racists. OP mentions about how illicit drugs were all just tools used to control minorities and are still used that way..

There are more serious ones, but most are just used as talking points about how the modern people are smarter and that people in the past were somehow bad people when trialled against their new modern ideals.

Re: Who Took the Cocaine Out of Coca-Cola?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cocaine was never a coca-cola ingredient. The intro to the article exaggerates for narrative effect. Coca leaf was, and still is, an ingredient in coca-cola. So both cocaine and coca-cola are made with coca leaf, but coca-cola is not and never has been made with cocaine.

That's kind of like saying edibles don't have weed in them. While technically correct, it's dishonest.

I think a better comparison is marketing orange juice as sugar free (because no sugar was added)

Re: Who Took the Cocaine Out of Coca-Cola?

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Disagree, it's like saying that jet fuel doesn't have plastic in it. They're both made from crude oil but they are totally different and do not contain one another. No one claims cocaine contains coca-cola.

> The coca leaf itself includes the active cocaine alkaloid which may be released through chewing or consumed in a powder-like form. From Wikipedia

Interesting. I learned something new today :) thank you!

Re: Who Took the Cocaine Out of Coca-Cola?

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I don't have the time to do the research justice at this moment; however, let me lay out a rough argument. Let us say, for the sake of argument, that poverty and drug abuse are strongly correlated. Poverty does not cause drug abuse, but people in poverty are more likely to abuse drugs, and people who abuse drugs are more likely to be in poverty due to their drug abuse. The article seems to agree with this point, as i…

My drug use has stopped when Im at my poorest simply because I can’t afford it. Without some sources I’m not even willing to get past your first premise.

Drugs become expensive only after they have been prohibited, no?

Re: Who Took the Cocaine Out of Coca-Cola?

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What are some specific examples of what you're referring to?

Slavery seems to be very "American" even though it's not. A lot of ideas and movements during BLM supported the narrative that certain figures were crazy racists. OP mentions about how illicit drugs were all just tools used to control minorities and are still used that way.. There are more serious ones, but most are just used as talking points about how the modern people are smarter and that people in the past were s…

I don't think anyone would suggest that slavery was an exclusively american concept, but there are ways that slavery impacted america and is still impacting america that i don't think is true of other first world countries (e.g. how financially dependent early america was on it, how late in history relative to other countries it was abolished, how it was one of the causes of the civil war, which in turn significantly shaped america, etc)

Re: Who Took the Cocaine Out of Coca-Cola?

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I dunno 'bout that: "Was Cocaine once an ingredient in Coca-cola? No, there’s never been any cocaine added in Coca‑Cola and there never will be." https://www.coca-cola.com/mv/en/about-us/faq/was-cocaine-onc... Is someone suggesting they would obfuscate their sacred history?

coca-cola's statement is technically true but intentionally misleading, and a lot of people are commenting based on the misconception that coca leaf doesn't contain cocaine

coca leaf does contain cocaine; cocaine is not a molecule synthesized from something in the coca leaf in the way that methamphetamine is synthesized from natural pseudoephedrine. the coca leaf contains cocaine in doses significant enough to be psychoactive, which is why people 'chew' it and make tea from it. when people make refined cocaine from coca leaf, they're just concentrating the cocaine already present, not chemically changing it, except that they may change it between the free base alkakoid form and a salt with some anion like chloride

coca-cola, like several other drinks of the era such as vin mariani, contained an extract of coca leaf containing a therapeutically significant dose of cocaine. it is true that it did not contain cocaine as an ingredient, but saying that and then not explaining that it did contain cocaine is lying by omission. in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41135533 bawolff gives the excellent analogy of saying that sugar is not an ingredient in orange juice: true, but the majority of the non-water content of orange juice is still sugar

Re: Who Took the Cocaine Out of Coca-Cola?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are some specific examples of what you're referring to?

Slavery seems to be very "American" even though it's not. A lot of ideas and movements during BLM supported the narrative that certain figures were crazy racists. OP mentions about how illicit drugs were all just tools used to control minorities and are still used that way.. There are more serious ones, but most are just used as talking points about how the modern people are smarter and that people in the past were s…

> There are more serious ones, but most are just used as talking points about how the modern people are smarter and that people in the past were somehow bad people when trialled against their new modern ideals.

100% on this.

Sometimes I feel we are like salt water fish talking about how ridiculous and miserable the fresh water fish in the upstream are.

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