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Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

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Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#11
Applying to a bunch of job postings isn’t really going to help. If you’ve already had a job as a dev than you’re already ahead of the game.

I’d recommend spending more time on networking, it’s a lot easier to get an interview when you have a connection with the company/hiring manager. Just keep up your coding skills in your primary language so that when the interview comes along you’re ready.

Also it feels like the job market is getting a little better as well.

Someone else commented about startups, that’s also great advice and that was how I got my first FullStack job. Funny enough it was actually from a Hackernews who’s hiring!

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#13
Probably get downvoted for this but seek a job outside a computer. Plenty of engineering gigs onsite, petroleum, civil, mechanical, etc. tbh you sound depressed and sitting in front of a computer will only compound the issue. IMO- Comp sci jobs are crutches at best. Best of luck.

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#15
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I think you might be over-indexing on the process of getting a job, and under-indexing on the process of /doing/ a job. Yes, getting a job sucks -- for a few weeks or months as you work through the process. But once you have that job, it will take up more than a third of your waking hours for, ideally, years. What can imagine doing for 2000 hours of the next 8760? What would you /enjoy/ doing? That, more than the con…

This feels a little tone deaf and a bit useless.

OP does not have a job and, especially in a the crumby market that we’re in for tech work, they just need anything they can get. You’re speaking from a place way higher on Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs than where OP is currently.

It’s hard to imagine yourself in a position where you can casually choose who you want to work for if you are not even getting interviews or offers in the first place. This is therefore not a strategy that leads to very motivational results.

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#16
Acquire some special skill, don’t be a fungible software engineer. Learn C and contribute to an OS kernel. Learn FORTRAN or COBOL and learn to read and maintain ancient codebases.

Domain specific jobs tend to be much more rare, but also much easier to get if you have the unique skill set needed.

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#17

Apply at companies that are really big, really old, and are pretty bland. Like insurance, banks, retail. Basically apply to everything in the Fortune 500

Yes get a job outside of "tech." Every company has a website, most of them have dev teams for them. Some of my happiest friends have got jobs doing web dev for companies whose products they use because of hobbies: sailing, climbing, kitchen equipment etc.

These are often less competitive than startup or tech companies too. By some measures the work can be less exciting but it varies quite a bit so don't judge in advance. Also it will be in support of things people actually want and use and are willing to pay money for, in sharp contrast to tech industry adware and VC rent seeking.

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#18
post #4

I think you might be over-indexing on the process of getting a job, and under-indexing on the process of /doing/ a job. Yes, getting a job sucks -- for a few weeks or months as you work through the process. But once you have that job, it will take up more than a third of your waking hours for, ideally, years. What can imagine doing for 2000 hours of the next 8760? What would you /enjoy/ doing? That, more than the con…

This. If you haven't been naturally excited to work on your own projects during this downtime, this field might not be for you.

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#19
Consider federal government remote work. You're not going to make FAANG money, but if you're remote, you don't need it. You need a job that supports your living needs and your mental health goals. For folks who have a STEM degree, the US Patent and Trademark Office is currently paying ~$90k/year for remote patent examiners.

This macro will pass, you just need a place to hang your hat until you've gotten your foundation poured and cured. It will also help you build your resume while others cannot find junior work. Best wishes.

https://www.usds.gov/apply

https://18f.gsa.gov/join/

https://www.usajobs.gov/search/results/?rmi=true

(Your state gov might have great remote opportunities as well, I would encourage you to spend a few hours researching)

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#20

Apply at companies that are really big, really old, and are pretty bland. Like insurance, banks, retail. Basically apply to everything in the Fortune 500

All of my friends who work remote for these companies do like 45min of work per day; this is the answer
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