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Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

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Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#1
I'm about to finish my BS in CS from WGU (remote accredited college, about as good as a state school, not a target school). I've struggled with health issues for many years which made remote the only option for a long, long time. Health is better now, but I'm still scarred.

Long story short, health and living situation made me lose nice full-stack remote dev job, networking opportunities, my confidence, and my motivation to compete in this job market. As I said, my health is better, but my will to grind leetcode and apply to a million job listings that might not even be real is gone. It's not just time-consuming, it's demoralizing and messing with my head big time And as I said, I have no network.

Remote is no longer a requirement for me, but flexible or second/third shift jobs are ideal. Sleep schedule is still a struggle, even now.

I've got some thoughts:

- Apply only to federal and state government software dev/IT jobs for new grads. These listings have specific requirements (you must be a new grad and an American citizen), so it might not be as saturated as the private sector. I've read online that the interviews are easy, no leetcode.

- If that doesn't work, look into which certifications would help me land a job in a tech adjacent role that isn't dev and isn't as competitive. Would appreciate guidance here, because from what I've seen, IT appears to be just as bad as dev right now.

- If that doesn't work, look into pivoting to tech recruiting. Hopefully I wouldn't need to go back to school for this.

- If none of that works, forget tech jobs altogether, and apply to jobs that are less competitive and only require a degree.

- I have been seriously considering selling software dev courses. Always had an interest in this, to be honest. I'd also love to build a one-man SaaS business too, at the intersection of these (e.g. software for Instructional Designers). Both of these are just dreams or potential side hustles, as I don't have the capital to sustain a solo/bootstrapped business right now.

Any advice, ideas or feedback on my current options would be appreciated.

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#2
If you're reading HN, you're already a few steps ahead of your peers. When hiring people just starting out, I'm primarily wondering:

- Can this person be a sponge and soak up knowledge?

- Can this person do basic tasks unsupervised, like generate an ad-hoc CSV report of customers that logged in the last 30 days?

If you possess these qualities, you're likely to be a valuable asset to seed or Series A startups. Many of these companies have a general recruiting email address. I recommend crafting a concise yet impactful email that:

1. Expresses your genuine interest in the startup's mission and goals

2. Highlights your eagerness to learn and contribute

3. Acknowledges your current skill level while emphasizing your potential for growth

4. Frames your application as a mutually beneficial investment - they invest in developing your skills, and you invest your dedication and fresh perspective into their company

By joining a startup you'll likely have the opportunity to work alongside some of the industry's brightest minds. Most high end software engineers actively seek to work with newcomers to the field. Teaching and mentoring often challenge seasoned professionals to reassess and articulate their ideas, leading to fresh insights. It not only accelerates your learning but also contributes to the overall growth of the team.

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#3
You are literally one day away from the who's hiring and who wants to get hired threads. Review and apply, be willing and honest to discuss strengths and weaknesses. Have interesting projects that you have worked on and can speak about.

Best of luck!

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#4
I think you might be over-indexing on the process of getting a job, and under-indexing on the process of /doing/ a job. Yes, getting a job sucks -- for a few weeks or months as you work through the process. But once you have that job, it will take up more than a third of your waking hours for, ideally, years. What can imagine doing for 2000 hours of the next 8760? What would you /enjoy/ doing? That, more than the concerns over the hiring gauntlet, should be your motivation to choose a direction -- and should motivate pushing through the hiring process.

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#5
That's harsh. The world is a grinder and if you fall for a second it's really harsh. I know the feeling myself. That being said, a lot of smaller tech jobs like coding for startups don't require a ton of leetcode. I once interviewed for a startup that asked some very basic coding only: open a file in Python, go through the file, replace some stuff, some basic array questions, etc. And I also got a job at another company where the interview was a bit more advanced but no leetcode or puzzles -- just something any competent Python programmer could do.

I would also just look outside IT as well. I eventually left IT and I actually like it a lot better. I actually still code here and there but it's not a main part of my work any more.

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#6
If I understand correctly, you're about to get a degree but you have several years of software development experience. If that's the case, you should have a significant advantage in 'new grad'-advantaged jobs: you have the experience that the vast majority of your competitors do not. Go for that.

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#7
You only need to compete in dev/IT when you lack relationships. It's not about raw talent or raw output but instead absolute trust. Confidence that you (or whoever) has a good sense of direction and is grounded in their work. I don't trust anyone in this industry who has never had a mentor. I would never work with anyone else in this industry who is themselves not already a part of an active community where they are valued and can make their own valued relationships/experiences. An eagerness to "do more" is great but i'm more worried about ones' ethics under immense strain.

Re: Ask HN: Junior dev and I don't want to compete in this job market. Any advice?

#10
Apply for jobs at HN Who is hiring, workatastartup.com, wellfound.com, and builtin.com page for your city (if you are in the US).

No leetcode in most cases, but you will have to apply to a lot of jobs (but they are definitely real in those sites).

Keep a spreadsheet to organize yourself and keep applying. It’s kind necessary, but worth it.

Don’t give up! Good luck!

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