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Happily. I'm not very fond of dumb calls from "sales" starting with "Let me introduce you to our new shiny product"...
Just curious, what industry do you work in?
What's the relation to the outlook?
Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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To play devils advocate - it costs money to integrate with all the competing map providers and to display them properly on the site. You could think of a plug in approach where map providers integrate themselves, still someone needs to maintain that plug in infra. Nothing is free. And it’s the same story for any kind of service that’s subject to DMA.
Yes but this is a multi billion dollar company and the base integration could be as simple as opening the link and it doesn't even have to link to the correct place. They can have the ui make clear that it's a generic link to another map site. Although I just figured out how to link to something with a query text on bing in a minute: https://www.bing.com/maps?q=USA The exact same thing works on kagi.com/maps btw. So…
> it doesn't even have to link to the correct place.
That's an obvious DMA violation. You can't preference your own service over others, like when you link to the exact pin on your service but just the general area on another.
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> No, but the EU and the citizens thereof should then accept that Meta or other similar companies in similar situations can't operate within the EU. I wouldn't mind if FB left...
WhatsApp though?
There is signal/telegram/line/whatever.
Though FB should have never been allowed to buy WhatsApp and Instagram... (same for Google buying YouTube…)
Besides void would be filled sooner or later with something, hopefully something interoperable (XMPP maybe?)
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#484Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wasn't attempting to express my entire worldview in a comment. Yes, technology often brings both risk and reward. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't recognize/criticize/discuss those risks.
My perspective is that framing them as “unrecognized risks” is wrongs. We are mostly engineers - what happened to “tradeoffs”?
Most of the issues in my examples above, I think are primarily created by business/marketing, not by engineers making engineering tradeoffs.
e.g FSD is mostly fine as a technology but lives would likely be saved if it were marketed more responsibly
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CUDA being viewed as anticompetitive by French regulators (source: the article).
CUDA is also viewed as anticompetitive by HN. Lots and lots of discussion about Nvidia's moat and how AMD could or can't break in. It's just here in the thread about regulation that some people suddenly forget.
Who said AMD couldn't break in? As far as I know, the HN consensus is that they never bothered to try.
Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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BS. Lot's of companies / entities moved there because of said "millions" so you are unwillingly forced to use them as a mean of contact. And sadly open alternatives are blocked/unavailable...
you know it's possible to get through life without either Facebook or a Facebook alternative, right? I closed my account ten years ago, and I don't have an alternative. After the withdrawal period I stopped caring. My loved ones send me text messages of their kids. Exactly what is the point of Facebook?
I don't use Facebook but for example KLM/AF at least 5-6 years ago pushed hard "means of contact" as "talk to us at whatsapp/facebook". And they weren't the only one. And the track of thinking was probably "If everyone/millions use it then let's move away from this old pesky email"...
There are groups/communities (real ones, for example building or school) that settled on WA/FB group so while you are not necessarily forced to if you don't there is a high chance that you will miss some crucial info…
I don't use it in any manner for personal communication though…
Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
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Specifically with AI I don’t want to experience the downside of innovation before we regulate because of how wide spread its use already is, and it’s problems have already become apparent. For example, it’s being used to job screen applicants even though we have proven that AI models still suffer from thing like racial bias. Companies don’t disclose how their models are trained to negate bias or anything like that ei…
> For example, it’s being used to job screen applicants even though we have proven that AI models still suffer from thing like racial bias. Can't we just say racism is illegal, and if a company uses an AI to be racist, they get fined the same way they would if they were racist the old fashioned way?
Look up the Dutch tax return scandal where the Dutch tax arm of the government (‘IRS’) used machine learning to identify fraud but it turned out to be very racially biased and it uprooted thousands of families with years of financial struggles and legal battles.
See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_sca...
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My sister has kids, and their school exclusively uses whatsapp to broadcast events and other things happening in the school, despite repeated complaints from many parents. There's millions of little things like this out there. Many small businesses like repairmen or such only do Whatsapp. It's quite literally unavoidable in some countries.
Sorry, this is just how technology works. There is going to be a way that the vast majority of people want to communicate and if you don't want to use it, it's going to be a pain in the ass for you. This is always going to be the case, and nobody is under any obligation to accommodate you. If you didn't want to have a home phone in the 90s it would have been the same thing.
Of course but the argument was: "You're free to not be a user, but millions of other people want it.".
So the notion that you have complete freedom is somewhat false…
Re: Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of existence
#489I wish targeted advertising was made completely illegal here, I am sure our society would greatly benefit from that.
This would kill the free internet tomorrow, and the one billion YouTube viewers would likely be quite upset about it. Untargeted ads pay less than 5% what targeted ones do.
If targetted ads are suddenly illegal, won't this mean the advertising market jumps 20x larger?
Either that, or we'll find out what just content based untargetted ads work pretty well.