This is a 'gimme some of that Wix money', IPO/acq ramp-up post right?
The New Internet
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Re: The New Internet
#22Of course these ideas are not that new. IPv6 was supposed to give end-to-end connectivity to all, and originally IPsec was supposed to be mandatory part of IPv6, giving each internet host cryptographic identity. And so on.
I was curious why the article didn't mention IPv6 at all, since Tailscale does support it.
IPv6 -together with WireGuard- gives privacy, security, and performance. The downside is the complexity to set it up.
Tailscale builds on the shoulder of giants. IPv4, WireGuard, Samy Kamkar NAT punching, OpenSSH, and probably many more. One of the upsides is the combination of these, and that the management interface in general is easy. But what counts for CA is also true for Tailscale: both are using FOSS to in the end deliver a (proprietary) service.
But because almost everything is build on top of FOSS and there's Headscale (and they're cool with it), this isn't a major issue to me. Like, it is a downside, but not a major one, as vendor lock-in is practically non-existent. In fact, it is likely an upside from a business/support PoV.
Re: The New Internet
#23I love Tailscale, but this post gives me the creeps. The internet succeeded because it was built on standards and was completely free. With Tailscale, I get wireguard is open source and we have things like Headscale. But the whole everyone gets an IP, doesn’t it depend on Tailscale owning a massive ip address space? We can all wait until full ipv6 rollout, or we can depend on centralized ipv4, and servers and proprie…
If you had to move off of tailscale, what would you move to?
I use WireGuard. As you add more keypairs, it becomes a bit of a nightmare to maintain, though Vim with syntax highlighting helps a lot.
Because of this, I'll be switching to Headscale + Tailscale.
Re: The New Internet
#24Of course these ideas are not that new. IPv6 was supposed to give end-to-end connectivity to all, and originally IPsec was supposed to be mandatory part of IPv6, giving each internet host cryptographic identity. And so on.
I was curious why the article didn't mention IPv6 at all, since Tailscale does support it. IPv6 -together with WireGuard- gives privacy, security, and performance. The downside is the complexity to set it up. Tailscale builds on the shoulder of giants. IPv4, WireGuard, Samy Kamkar NAT punching, OpenSSH, and probably many more. One of the upsides is the combination of these, and that the management interface in genera…
Apenwarr is kind of an IPv6 hater. He thinks it's not going to happen.
Re: The New Internet
#25> In fact, we didn’t found Tailscale to be a networking company. Networking didn’t come into it much at all at first.
I always just assumed they were building some kind of logging software (“tail”scale), used Wireguard to connect hosts, and just kind of stopped there. Don’t get me wrong, Tailscale is a nice way to connect machines. It’s nice because Wireguard is nice.
Re: The New Internet
#26I really enjoy and appreciate the tailscale service, but this article didn't click for me. I love an inspiring CEO rally speech as much as the next early adopter, and agree that there is a ridiculous amount of developer friction and complexity in computing, but tailscale still has its own friction and isn't on track to solve the big picture issues _at all_. As a concrete example, a few weeks ago, I invited my dad to…
Is your dad running Windows? Windows firewall is known to block icmp traffic, a problem that neither Tailscale nor any other p2p VPN can solve.
Maybe, but even ICMP pings? He also couldn't ping my systems, it seemed really broken.
Re: The New Internet
#27> In fact, we didn’t found Tailscale to be a networking company. Networking didn’t come into it much at all at first. I always just assumed they were building some kind of logging software (“tail”scale), used Wireguard to connect hosts, and just kind of stopped there. Don’t get me wrong, Tailscale is a nice way to connect machines. It’s nice because Wireguard is nice.
Re: The New Internet
#28Isn't yggdrasil[1] supposed to be the New Internet?
If not, why Tailscale specifically, and not Netbird, Nebula, Netmaker or some other competitor?
The article is indeed very well written, but gives the wrong vibes, like something's coming: acquisition, pivot, split, shutting down, etc. Also, "we're re just getting started", the famous last words.
Just to balance my healthy mistrust, I'd like to add that I'm a satisfied Tailscale user, mostly impressed with how little it requires of me to just work.
Re: The New Internet
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is your dad running Windows? Windows firewall is known to block icmp traffic, a problem that neither Tailscale nor any other p2p VPN can solve.
Maybe, but even ICMP pings? He also couldn't ping my systems, it seemed really broken.
Ping uses ICMP. Windows blocks ICMP by default, so yes `ping ` doesn't work by default. Is your system your father was trying to ping a Windows system as well?
The other thing to check is if he was running another VPN on his machine at the same time. Running multiple VPNs at the same time (both Windows and Linux) requires extra fiddling to map the routing correctly to prevent their rules from overlapping/breaking each. https://tailscale.com/kb/1105/other-vpns
Re: The New Internet
#30An incredibly long ramp up to complaining about centralised control by rent seekers (a very reasonable complaint!) which gets bogged down in some ostensibly unrelated shade about whether client-server computing makes sense (it does) or is itself somehow responsible for the rent seeking (it isn't; you can seek rent on proprietary peer to peer systems as well!) to then arrive at: > There’s going to be a new world of ha…
Lol. The tailscale CEO is preaching “tomorrow you’ll have or not have Tailscale. And if you don’t, you won’t be able to run apps that only work in a post-Tailscale world.”??
That won’t go down well in 10 years if they don’t become Microsoft-scale juggernauts.